i have a 00 civic hatch and i have no idea where to put my front tweeters? i'd like to cut a hole and make it look nice in the door panel but i'd rather find something else that looks good. I was thinking about putting them on the mirror handle like the Si's, and just adjusting my mirror from the outside by pushing the mirror.



any pics of tweeter placement?

 

My friend just finished making his mounts for his tweeters. He had the manual mirrors and just the adjusting arms off and put them there. I will see if he has any pics.

 

you need to be very careful when placing tweeters away from midbass or woofers. they need to be as close as possible.

heres the rule on that: (taken from car audio and electronics magazine) "within one-half wavelength of the cross over frequency" for example, at 5000 Hz, the wavlength is 3 inches, so half that would be 1.5 inches. that is how far away the tweeter would need to be from the CENTER of the midbass/ woofer. its all about "frequency dependant shift".

if the tweeter is located away from the midbass at a crossover of 5000 Hz, then when the music is below 5000 Hz it will appear that the music is coming from a centered point, (bass is less directional than treble, meaning its harder for your brain to determine where bass is coming from compared to treble), and when the music goes above 5000 Hz it will appear that it has moved a few feet away from you. thus appearing like the music is shifting in and out.

what is the crossover frequency. then u can determine how far away from the other speaker you can place the tweeter.

 

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If you take the arm off does it come off for good or can you put it back on later?

 

He took a hacksaw too it. So you would have to re-welded it on or buy a new piece.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NA_95d16z6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need to be very careful when placing tweeters away from midbass or woofers. they need to be as close as possible.

heres the rule on that: (taken from car audio and electronics magazine) "within one-half wavelength of the cross over frequency" for example, at 5000 Hz, the wavlength is 3 inches, so half that would be 1.5 inches. that is how far away the tweeter would need to be from the CENTER of the midbass/ woofer. its all about "frequency dependant shift".

if the tweeter is located away from the midbass at a crossover of 5000 Hz, then when the music is below 5000 Hz it will appear that the music is coming from a centered point, (bass is less directional than treble, meaning its harder for your brain to determine where bass is coming from compared to treble), and when the music goes above 5000 Hz it will appear that it has moved a few feet away from you. thus appearing like the music is shifting in and out.

what is the crossover frequency. then u can determine how far away from the other speaker you can place the tweeter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are an absolute moron. That is all I have to say about this one. That is why their is gain control on good crossovers so that you can have your tweeter further away from your woofer and adjust the imaging.

 

try and keep the driver's side tweeter as far away from you ( the driver ) as possible. high up in the doors in generally poo.

keep in mind, the closer that tweet is too you, the farther off center you are in the stereo image. the farther away the tweet is from your head, the more you 'seem' to be in the middle.

and sopiwnykg, care to back your opinion up a little better, if you can ?

 

On the Focal cross over you can adjust the tweeter levels to compensate for the placement near the woofer or away from the woofer. Have the tweeters higher up isn't everything. Angles are extremely important. You should have the driver tweeter pointing to the passenger and the passenger tweeter pointing to the driver.

I know from doing a couple of systems that tweeter placement is really important to the imaging and sound. In my gf cavalier I put the tweeter right above the woofer because that is how the factory suggested that it be placed, also the crossovers didn't have a "gain control" on them.

If you wanted me to back up him being a moron, check his other posts and see his stupidity in action.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sopiwnykg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check his other posts and see his stupidity in action.</TD></TR></TABLE>

fair enough.


Curious about the 'gain adjustment' on the x-overs. Does this just act like a gain on a amp, or does it mess with the phase of the speaker(s) also...

 

what adjustments on the crossovers do is they do is it allows you to tone done the tweeter, so they are not as over powering and allow for different placement of the tweeter.

 

man, YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS...check the specs on your components!
the jlaudio tr series recommends that the tweeters be close to the woofers, while some other components recommends being a certain distance away. if you can't find the manufacturers recommendations...then use trial and error. get sum masking tape and tape your tweeter in different locations until you're satisfied with the sound.
jeez-louise, don't you just hate idiots like sopiwnykg who run in here flaming but only have a matchstick stuck up their ***?

 

matchstick up my ***?? about what extactly here is the specs on the Focal Utopia 165W that I have in my car. Check out the part about the adjustable levels.




6 W2
165mm (6-1/2") midbass,
40mm (1-3/8") v.coil, 100mm (4") magnet
-
TN 51
FA 165W
2-way separate crossover with high-end components 24 dB/oct. (3 kHz)
with adjustable levels

200 W
100 W
92,5 dB
50 Hz - 22 kHz
70,0 Hz
3,7 ohms
0,69
9,27
0,64
13 cm
11,5 g
0,42 mH
17 mm
6 mm
5,5 mm
132,7 cm2
10,4 l
5,2 N/A
142 mm
78 mm

I'm sorry if you have never seen a high end set of speakers in your life. But don't go accusing me of being an idiot before you look at the manufactures page and see that their are adjustable levels to set your tweeters for placement.

 

So, because of your infinite knowledge, i guess it's safe to assume to this audio nooB is using your award winning gain-adjustable Focal Utopia components...interesting. Hmmm...it's about time i spend $50 and get me ah set of Focals...durrr....

 

Actually if you read the original post he states nothing about the speakers that will be used. I'm simply talking about the speakers that I have and the adjustablility of them for different placement of the tweeters. The adjustability isn't just available on the high end Focal but I believe it is available for all of there componnents, don't quote me on that one though.

 

im thinking about getting alpine type r components.

 

so basically wut ur saying is that factory reccomendations are the best???
hmmmm.... so if i follow all the recommendations of the factory, and set my system up to there standards, i would get the best imaging and sound staging?

wow... it sounds so easy. geeez sopiwnykg, its SOO EASY. troublecodes, since u know so much about factory recommendations, can u help me set up my system????

 

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heres the rule on that: </TD></TR></TABLE>

The first rule of car audio is that there are no rules!!!

You do not NEED to keep the tweeter and the mid close to each other.

If we all followed MFG's recommendations, we'd also wire everthing in phase with each other and live with shitty imaging....

There are just so many misconceptions and incorrect info on this thread.

The other rule of car audio is to experiment - there is no formula that makes for good sound - you have to try things out...

 

here is what my friend did in his 92 integra

 

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The other rule of car audio is to experiment - there is no formula that makes for good sound - you have to try things out...</TD></TR></TABLE>

my sentiments exactly. you cannot say "this is ALWAYS best to be put here" or "it's ALWAYS best to do this"
trial and error always gets the best results when it comes to I.C.E.

 

A-pillars.

 

Right now, I'm running an MB Quart component set in the doors. The tweeters are just above the woovers, about 1/2 away from the frame. I intend on playing with another pair of tweeters (silk dome)...

So the idea is, you can always add another pair of tweeters (heavily attenuated) to raise the sound stage.