13" JL Audio W6v2 vs. JL Audio 10W7 ? ? ?
09-05-2003, 07:18 PM
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Re: 13" JL Audio W6v2 vs. JL Audio 10W7 ? ? ? (EVOL)
I think the 13 will be louder, with higher sensitivity because of size. The 10w7 will require a smaller box ported though.
09-06-2003, 12:05 AM
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I have to finish my xxx box 
The pieces are in the garage still. I won't lift a drill until I can do measurements to make sure it will fit in my next car.
The pieces are in the garage still. I won't lift a drill until I can do measurements to make sure it will fit in my next car.
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09-06-2003, 12:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 10K2HVN »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my vote goes to the 10w7.
are these to older w6's or the new w6v2..?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He had a 10w7 already. Time for a new one
are these to older w6's or the new w6v2..?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He had a 10w7 already. Time for a new one
09-06-2003, 12:45 PM
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Re: (GSteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its the new v2, hence the title of this thread.
i vote for the W6v2</TD></TR></TABLE>
im soo noob.
get a second 10w7
iono..havent heard any of the new w6v2's..they look mean tho..!
i vote for the W6v2</TD></TR></TABLE>
im soo noob.
get a second 10w7
iono..havent heard any of the new w6v2's..they look mean tho..!
09-06-2003, 05:58 PM
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If you have a rpoperly ported enclosure, the 10 will be louder than the 13. The V2 series is good, but are in no way comparable to the W7 series. I have one ten in the H.O. enclosure with a RF 500.2 and it has beaten a V2 set up using the 12's and a ported enclosure just to give you an idea.
09-06-2003, 06:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chamillion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you have a rpoperly ported enclosure, the 10 will be louder than the 13. The V2 series is good, but are in no way comparable to the W7 series. </TD></TR></TABLE>
not to start a fight again..but the 13" will eat up the 10". u should ask manville about the w7 and the w6v2 because in his own word he said they have no difference in sonically. only difference is output (10 vs 10, 12 vs 12, 13.5 vs 13.5). whats keeping the w6v2 from having more output than the W7 is displacement. but this is a 13.5" compared to 10" with similar xmax.
not to start a fight again..but the 13" will eat up the 10". u should ask manville about the w7 and the w6v2 because in his own word he said they have no difference in sonically. only difference is output (10 vs 10, 12 vs 12, 13.5 vs 13.5). whats keeping the w6v2 from having more output than the W7 is displacement. but this is a 13.5" compared to 10" with similar xmax.
09-06-2003, 06:52 PM
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Re: (chamillion)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chamillion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you have a rpoperly ported enclosure, the 10 will be louder than the 13. The V2 series is good, but are in no way comparable to the W7 series. I have one ten in the H.O. enclosure with a RF 500.2 and it has beaten a V2 set up using the 12's and a ported enclosure just to give you an idea. </TD></TR></TABLE>
First of all with 500 watts the w7 is not going to hit xmax with normal music. As far as subs go, bigger cone is better. I have not plotted them yet, but I am sure that in a "proper" ported enclosure the 13 will be louder.
First of all with 500 watts the w7 is not going to hit xmax with normal music. As far as subs go, bigger cone is better. I have not plotted them yet, but I am sure that in a "proper" ported enclosure the 13 will be louder.
09-07-2003, 09:22 PM
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There is much more to subs than just size. Bigger cone only means louder lower notes, doesn't mean the sub will be louder. As said before the W7 series is in no way comparable to the V2 series. No one is saying that the sub will reach it's full potential at 500 watts, but the example was that at that amount of power, it beat out 2 12's of the V2 series. For someone to say that you can't tell the difference between a W7 and a V2 has to be deaf. Have any of you even heard these subs to make or pass judgment? I am a tech for the company..I think I'd know.
09-07-2003, 11:13 PM
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You are a tech for JL?
Yeah I have heard the 10w7. I built evol's box. It was pretty badass. I have also heard a pair of 12w6's. I doubt that the 10w7 will be louder with the same power.
The point of high excursion subs is to play louder with less distortion. Since you are a JL tech, tell me at what excursion does the 13w6, and 10w7 reach 5% distortion. There is no need for arguement since this can be settle logically.
Second a single high excursion sub will normally need more power to beat to lesser subs. Doubling the cone area will instantly give you 3db more with the same power. But you are trying to put a single 10 against a pair of 12's
I guarantee that I could build a box to kill a single 10 with a pair of w6's 12's. We are talking about half the excursion, but probably 3 times the sd of that 10. You need efficiency, excursion and sd to get spl.
A quick plot in winisd shows 7 db more output from the pair of w6 12's across the board with 500 watts fed into the 10w7 and a pair of 12w6's.
Bigger cone only means louder lower notes, doesn't mean the sub will be louder.
I was discussing subbass, not midbass drivers like the spl subs. For sq, volume of displacement created by linear excursion wins.
Yeah I have heard the 10w7. I built evol's box. It was pretty badass. I have also heard a pair of 12w6's. I doubt that the 10w7 will be louder with the same power.
The point of high excursion subs is to play louder with less distortion. Since you are a JL tech, tell me at what excursion does the 13w6, and 10w7 reach 5% distortion. There is no need for arguement since this can be settle logically.
Second a single high excursion sub will normally need more power to beat to lesser subs. Doubling the cone area will instantly give you 3db more with the same power. But you are trying to put a single 10 against a pair of 12's
I guarantee that I could build a box to kill a single 10 with a pair of w6's 12's. We are talking about half the excursion, but probably 3 times the sd of that 10. You need efficiency, excursion and sd to get spl.A quick plot in winisd shows 7 db more output from the pair of w6 12's across the board with 500 watts fed into the 10w7 and a pair of 12w6's.
Bigger cone only means louder lower notes, doesn't mean the sub will be louder.
I was discussing subbass, not midbass drivers like the spl subs. For sq, volume of displacement created by linear excursion wins.
09-08-2003, 12:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">difference in sonically. only difference is output (10 vs 10, 12 vs 12, 13.5 vs 13.5). whats keeping the w6v2 from having more output than the W7 is displacement. but this is a 13.5" compared to 10" with similar xmax. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Haha. I think you made a typo.
Haha. I think you made a typo.
09-08-2003, 08:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was discussing subbass, not midbass drivers like the spl subs. </TD></TR></TABLE>
hhehehe...I like that line.
hhehehe...I like that line.
09-08-2003, 04:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chamillion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is much more to subs than just size. Bigger cone only means louder lower notes, doesn't mean the sub will be louder. As said before the W7 series is in no way comparable to the V2 series. No one is saying that the sub will reach it's full potential at 500 watts, but the example was that at that amount of power, it beat out 2 12's of the V2 series. For someone to say that you can't tell the difference between a W7 and a V2 has to be deaf. Have any of you even heard these subs to make or pass judgment? I am a tech for the company..I think I'd know.</TD></TR></TABLE>
HUH!?!?!?!
louder lower notes but not louder? u are contradicting yourself. and yes..the w7 and the v2 are comparable sonically. might want to take that up with your buddy Lucio Proni about that.
a 10" W7 will not be louder than a 13.5" W6v2 unless the w6v2 was in a whacky install. PERIOD! wow..you have a single 10w7 that beated 2 12" v6v2 in a DIFFERENT CAR and different INSTALLATION. you're not really comparing drivers right there. you're comparing installations.
and didn't know a JL tech that lives in texas. why aren't u at JL audio in florida? long way drive home eh?
HUH!?!?!?!
louder lower notes but not louder? u are contradicting yourself. and yes..the w7 and the v2 are comparable sonically. might want to take that up with your buddy Lucio Proni about that.
a 10" W7 will not be louder than a 13.5" W6v2 unless the w6v2 was in a whacky install. PERIOD! wow..you have a single 10w7 that beated 2 12" v6v2 in a DIFFERENT CAR and different INSTALLATION. you're not really comparing drivers right there. you're comparing installations.
and didn't know a JL tech that lives in texas. why aren't u at JL audio in florida? long way drive home eh?
09-08-2003, 04:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Haha. I think you made a typo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what typo?
Haha. I think you made a typo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what typo?
09-08-2003, 04:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The point of high excursion subs is to play louder with less distortion. Since you are a JL tech, tell me at what excursion does the 13w6, and 10w7 reach 5% distortion. There is no need for arguement since this can be settle logically.</TD></TR></TABLE>
can i answer this one? :D
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For sq, volume of displacement created by linear excursion wins.</TD></TR></TABLE>
haven't i heard this someone one termpro? O_o
The point of high excursion subs is to play louder with less distortion. Since you are a JL tech, tell me at what excursion does the 13w6, and 10w7 reach 5% distortion. There is no need for arguement since this can be settle logically.</TD></TR></TABLE>
can i answer this one? :D
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For sq, volume of displacement created by linear excursion wins.</TD></TR></TABLE>
haven't i heard this someone one termpro? O_o
09-08-2003, 05:09 PM
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Re: (GSteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what typo? </TD></TR></TABLE>
whats keeping the w6v2 from having more output than the W7 is displacement. but this is a 13.5" compared to 10" with similar xmax.
I think you meant, a 13.5 compared to a 10 with more xmax. But the 13.5 has enough sd advantage to kick the 10's ***
Edit:Doh, I made a type too.
what typo?
</TD></TR></TABLE>whats keeping the w6v2 from having more output than the W7 is displacement. but this is a 13.5" compared to 10" with similar xmax.
I think you meant, a 13.5 compared to a 10 with more xmax. But the 13.5 has enough sd advantage to kick the 10's ***
Edit:Doh, I made a type too.
09-08-2003, 05:15 PM
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I thought the w6 had like 13mm of excursion. I have not looked it up. If it is that close, then there is no question who the winner will be.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you sir are picky just like how picky u are when its time for you to choose your man. ahaha</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have been looking for a new girlie man, since I stopped dealing with Prince. I was going to call you up.
If you weren't underage I would take your girlfriend also.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you sir are picky just like how picky u are when its time for you to choose your man. ahaha</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have been looking for a new girlie man, since I stopped dealing with Prince. I was going to call you up.
If you weren't underage I would take your girlfriend also.
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My only advice to you is to listen to the systems and then decide from what the numbers say. I KNOW from hearing the 13.5 in a JL enclosure and hearing the W7 10 and seeing the numbers that each put up what will happen in the end. Done with this one 2....
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yet u are only hearing 1 or a few out of every 100000000 possible installations, yet u judge the sub based on only your install?
funny how when i compared them, it was the complete opposite of what u said. except what i compared was a 12" so the 13.5 should have more output. so mr. JL tech guy, what did your buddy Lucio Proni said about the W6v2 and W7 sound quality; sonically?
funny how when i compared them, it was the complete opposite of what u said. except what i compared was a 12" so the 13.5 should have more output. so mr. JL tech guy, what did your buddy Lucio Proni said about the W6v2 and W7 sound quality; sonically?