OMG LIBERTARIAT STARTS A BUILD
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F20b Jones is local here to me, literally just got a PM back from him saying he can do the same thing Synchrotech is offering for ~$1500. And I can pick it up instead of paying for shipping
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^ that's a good deal as long as it's good work with good parts. I know synchro-tech really seems to stand behind their work. I almost want to buy something from them just because they seem to be so great to deal with.
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And the guy is well respected here locally. big-whig on the regional forum and has a close relationship with the guy doing my swap.
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Decided the order a NEW rear T-bracket for my H2B swap.
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They're flippin' $57 shipped from Majestic Honda and everyone online wants $60-70 for them, and rusted *** ones are selling for $50.
Also, I've realized how early it was that I started ordering parts, and that I'm still working and making money, lol. /relief
**Not my picture**
They're flippin' $57 shipped from Majestic Honda and everyone online wants $60-70 for them, and rusted *** ones are selling for $50.
Also, I've realized how early it was that I started ordering parts, and that I'm still working and making money, lol. /relief
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The actual difference between the OEM USDM/pre-98 JDM ITR tranny (4.40FD), and the 98-up JDM ITR (4.78FD) isn't just the final drive ratios.
First of all the final drive assembly is the combination of the ring gear (it's the big gear bolted around the differential) and the counter shaft (also called pinion shaft) mated together. It is basically the final gear that each individual transmission gear is multiplied by.
What this means is that each gear you shift into is multiplied by the final drive, and thus the ratio of that final drive will have an effect on how quickly you accelerate through each gear. A ratio that is taller will actually have a lower number, and thus, essentially makes it take longer to accelerate through each gear.
A ratio that is shorter will actually have a higher number, and it actually has the effect of being able to accelerate through the gears faster.
Essentially the final drive ratio either raises or lowers the maximum speed achieved in each gear. A transmission with a 4.26FD will take longer to accelerate through the gears than a transmission with a 4.929FD.
A final drive change does NOT affect what rpm drops to when upshifting/shifting through the gears.
It's a common misconception that a final drive "shortens the gears" when in fact it does not change where the rpm needle falls to when shifting into the next gear. the only thing that can change that is changing the actual gears themselves. If one were to keep all gears the same, but change the final drive to a shorter one the maximum mph is shortened in each gear, so you rip through the gears more quickly. ...but if the rpm dropped from 8500rpm down to 6500rpm (just an example I threw out there) when you shifted from 1st to 2nd before the final drive swap, it would still drop the same rpm. You'd just rip through the gears/reach redline sooner.
Play with this Honda gear ratio chart with graphs, etc. and it will illustrate what I'm talking about:
Click Here for M Factory Gear Charts
Okay so now back to the original question about the difference between the 4.400FD and 4.78FD ITR transmissions.
The 4.400 tranny and 4.78FD trannies share the same 1-3 gears, and both have LSDs. The 4.78FD ITR tranny does have TALLER 4th and 5th gears, actually the same gears found in the GS-R transmission. I'm sure Honda did that to keep the rpm drop manageable between 4th and 5th gear, and allowing that taller 5th gear to keep the highway cruising the exact same as the 4.400FD tranny. Again play with that M Factory linked chart and see what I mean.
Hope that helps.
First of all the final drive assembly is the combination of the ring gear (it's the big gear bolted around the differential) and the counter shaft (also called pinion shaft) mated together. It is basically the final gear that each individual transmission gear is multiplied by.
What this means is that each gear you shift into is multiplied by the final drive, and thus the ratio of that final drive will have an effect on how quickly you accelerate through each gear. A ratio that is taller will actually have a lower number, and thus, essentially makes it take longer to accelerate through each gear.
A ratio that is shorter will actually have a higher number, and it actually has the effect of being able to accelerate through the gears faster.
Essentially the final drive ratio either raises or lowers the maximum speed achieved in each gear. A transmission with a 4.26FD will take longer to accelerate through the gears than a transmission with a 4.929FD.
A final drive change does NOT affect what rpm drops to when upshifting/shifting through the gears.
It's a common misconception that a final drive "shortens the gears" when in fact it does not change where the rpm needle falls to when shifting into the next gear. the only thing that can change that is changing the actual gears themselves. If one were to keep all gears the same, but change the final drive to a shorter one the maximum mph is shortened in each gear, so you rip through the gears more quickly. ...but if the rpm dropped from 8500rpm down to 6500rpm (just an example I threw out there) when you shifted from 1st to 2nd before the final drive swap, it would still drop the same rpm. You'd just rip through the gears/reach redline sooner.
Play with this Honda gear ratio chart with graphs, etc. and it will illustrate what I'm talking about:
Click Here for M Factory Gear Charts
Okay so now back to the original question about the difference between the 4.400FD and 4.78FD ITR transmissions.
The 4.400 tranny and 4.78FD trannies share the same 1-3 gears, and both have LSDs. The 4.78FD ITR tranny does have TALLER 4th and 5th gears, actually the same gears found in the GS-R transmission. I'm sure Honda did that to keep the rpm drop manageable between 4th and 5th gear, and allowing that taller 5th gear to keep the highway cruising the exact same as the 4.400FD tranny. Again play with that M Factory linked chart and see what I mean.
Hope that helps.
Decided the order a NEW rear T-bracket for my H2B swap.
**Not my picture**
They're flippin' $57 shipped from Majestic Honda and everyone online wants $60-70 for them, and rusted *** ones are selling for $50.
Also, I've realized how early it was that I started ordering parts, and that I'm still working and making money, lol. /relief
**Not my picture**
They're flippin' $57 shipped from Majestic Honda and everyone online wants $60-70 for them, and rusted *** ones are selling for $50.
Also, I've realized how early it was that I started ordering parts, and that I'm still working and making money, lol. /relief
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There's a lot of stuff like that, people seem to think it's worth way more than it is. New throttle cables are only worth about $20 - $30 but everyone uses an old *** cable with homemade bracket.
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Yep. I always check Majestic Honda before I buy parts. A lot of the time it's not much more for a brand new part, which is well worth it in my opinion.
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Update!
Ordered my HighEnd H2B header
Also, just ordered new EMPI axles from JC Whitney. For some reason it occurred to me to google "JC Whitney promo codes"
And I found a 20% off coupon:
Ordered my HighEnd header
EMPI Axles
Subtotal $133.46
Shipping $19.99
Tax $0.00
Discount $26.69
TOTAL $126.76
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March 19th is the official date
A few of the parts (engine, header, Thermal muffler, etc) were 3-4 weeks production and delivery time.
The shop doing it is HUGE so they don't mind tucking it all away in a corner.
Now I'm debating whether or not I should upgrade the radiator
A few of the parts (engine, header, Thermal muffler, etc) were 3-4 weeks production and delivery time.
The shop doing it is HUGE so they don't mind tucking it all away in a corner.
Now I'm debating whether or not I should upgrade the radiator
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March 19th is the official date
A few of the parts (engine, header, Thermal muffler, etc) were 3-4 weeks production and delivery time.
The shop doing it is HUGE so they don't mind tucking it all away in a corner.
Now I'm debating whether or not I should upgrade the radiator
A few of the parts (engine, header, Thermal muffler, etc) were 3-4 weeks production and delivery time.
The shop doing it is HUGE so they don't mind tucking it all away in a corner.
Now I'm debating whether or not I should upgrade the radiator
Also, shop? Why no home install?
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Having the shop install it because I don't have the tools, time, and wouldn't do as good of a job as the shop will. I work two jobs and go to college full-time. Even if I had a window to do it the car would be down for a week at least, and I have school/work to drive to.
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Engine dealer just emailed me back, says the engine has 30-35k miles. It's from a 2001 Accord Si-R
He's called me a couple of times today:
Once to ensure I got the shipping information.
2nd time he said he didn't have a D-series A/C compressor to ship with the engine, but says once he gets one in during the next week or two he'll ship it out pronto.
I offered to pay for shipping, he said don't worry about it.
Will definitely recommend JDMSource from now on
He's called me a couple of times today:
Once to ensure I got the shipping information.
2nd time he said he didn't have a D-series A/C compressor to ship with the engine, but says once he gets one in during the next week or two he'll ship it out pronto.
I offered to pay for shipping, he said don't worry about it.
Will definitely recommend JDMSource from now on
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I never thought to mention it but a lot of times you can get a good used OEM SiR rad for not a whole heck of a lot from an importer.
I needed a D-series starter a while back and wanted an OEM one, I knew a friend of mine was ordering a set of early JDM ITR wheels so I asked him to order me a starter at the same time. The importer ended up just throwing it in with the order, no charge. (wasn't JDM source, it was a place in Montreal) most of them are really good to deal with.
I needed a D-series starter a while back and wanted an OEM one, I knew a friend of mine was ordering a set of early JDM ITR wheels so I asked him to order me a starter at the same time. The importer ended up just throwing it in with the order, no charge. (wasn't JDM source, it was a place in Montreal) most of them are really good to deal with.
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Engine dealer just emailed me back, says the engine has 30-35k miles. It's from a 2001 Accord Si-R
He's called me a couple of times today:
Once to ensure I got the shipping information.
2nd time he said he didn't have a D-series A/C compressor to ship with the engine, but says once he gets one in during the next week or two he'll ship it out pronto.
I offered to pay for shipping, he said don't worry about it.
Will definitely recommend JDMSource from now on
He's called me a couple of times today:
Once to ensure I got the shipping information.
2nd time he said he didn't have a D-series A/C compressor to ship with the engine, but says once he gets one in during the next week or two he'll ship it out pronto.
I offered to pay for shipping, he said don't worry about it.
Will definitely recommend JDMSource from now on
How much did shop quote you for work? What did you end up paying for the engine set up? Im pretty sure ill use this to mock a build i do in the future minus the trnany stuff your doing
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Hoping to be out of there for less than $1500.
Engine and QSD kit should get there this week, Kaizen kit as well so he can get that knocked out. I still need to go pick up my custom transmission too
And get an o2 sensor
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Engine dealer just emailed me back, says the engine has 30-35k miles. It's from a 2001 Accord Si-R
He's called me a couple of times today:
Once to ensure I got the shipping information.
2nd time he said he didn't have a D-series A/C compressor to ship with the engine, but says once he gets one in during the next week or two he'll ship it out pronto.
I offered to pay for shipping, he said don't worry about it.
Will definitely recommend JDMSource from now on
He's called me a couple of times today:
Once to ensure I got the shipping information.
2nd time he said he didn't have a D-series A/C compressor to ship with the engine, but says once he gets one in during the next week or two he'll ship it out pronto.
I offered to pay for shipping, he said don't worry about it.
Will definitely recommend JDMSource from now on
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I never thought to mention it but a lot of times you can get a good used OEM SiR rad for not a whole heck of a lot from an importer.
I needed a D-series starter a while back and wanted an OEM one, I knew a friend of mine was ordering a set of early JDM ITR wheels so I asked him to order me a starter at the same time. The importer ended up just throwing it in with the order, no charge. (wasn't JDM source, it was a place in Montreal) most of them are really good to deal with.
I needed a D-series starter a while back and wanted an OEM one, I knew a friend of mine was ordering a set of early JDM ITR wheels so I asked him to order me a starter at the same time. The importer ended up just throwing it in with the order, no charge. (wasn't JDM source, it was a place in Montreal) most of them are really good to deal with.
I see autozone has "Spectre" EM1 radiators for $80. My brother can get me his employee discount too.
There's also a guy locally selling an old school mishimoto with fan for $160.