rodimus

i went to the dealer and there were not only just "gears" in the tranny...
there was a whole mess of sh*t.
what exactly will i need to do this swap..
anyone got part numbers?

anyone ever done this before?

EDIT:

MT MAINSHAFT

16339 010 1 SLEEVE SET (5-R) 134.88
16289 008 1 GEAR 73.21
16247 007 1 WASHER (20X30X4) 4.90
16214 006 1 GEAR, REVERSE IDLE 45.00
16042 005 1 GEAR 86.58
15992 004 1 GEAR SET 245.33
15945 003 1 GEAR 139.74
15780 002 1 SHAFT 22.00
15666 001 1 MAINSHAFT 255.96


MT COUNTERSHAFT

16187 007 1 SLEEVE SET (1-2) 308.63
16145 006 1 GEAR 58.74
16100 005 1 GEAR 53.87
16067 004 1 GEAR 45.96
15901 003 1 GEAR 83.15
15815 002 1 GEAR 75.89
15721 001 1 COUNTERSHAFT 261.06


i'm only interested in swapping gears 2nd and 3rd.
fd and lsd i have a source for. anyone know exactly what to point out between these two pics?



Modified by EVOL at 5:09 PM 9/22/2003

CHEETAH

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what exactly will i need to do this swap..
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1-4 main gears; 1-4 countergears

Greg

sleepinonacreeper

exactly what cheetah said

Rob Dizzle

just buy a used itr tranny and sell your gsr

and get the itr 5th gear if you are going to swap gears

i have the gsr 5th in my ats equiped r tranny, and i wish i had the itr 5th

trust me on this

cost wise think about it
itr gears are going to be at least 400

you can sell your gsr tranny for 800

buy itr tranny for 1200 and get lsd with all the gearing

and you dotn have to pay labor for someone to swap out gearing in your gsr

rodimus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just buy a used itr tranny and sell your gsr
used tranny you take a risk. this way the gears are new..
maybe i'll even get new synchros and save mine as spare

and get the itr 5th gear if you are going to swap gears
why? so i can rev higher on the freeway?

i have the gsr 5th in my ats equiped r tranny, and i wish i had the itr 5th

trust me on this
why do you wish you had the ITR 5th? for the dragstrip?
cost wise think about it
itr gears are going to be at least 400

you can sell your gsr tranny for 800
for 800??? uhhh...
buy itr tranny for 1200 and get lsd with all the gearing
1. find me an itr tranny for that much..you can but even if you find one.. 2. guarantee me the synchros aren't messed up 3. what if i don't want the itr LSD, cuz i'm getting a quaife?

and you dotn have to pay labor for someone to swap out gearing in your gsr
i know someone

on top of all this, the usdm 4th gear for the ITR is more aggressive than the jdm itr 98 spec with 4.785
my tranny plan:
1-4 gears usdm itr
5th gear gsr for better gas mileage, less engine wear, since i drive alot
quaife tranny will own the OEM itr lsd
and 4.785 final drive
i'm also already getting a 6 puck clutch and a lightweight flywheel
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JCushing

you never mentioned the jdm final drive in your first post. i would get the type r fith also if it was gonna be with a 4.4. honestly USDM R 1-4 gsr 5 and a jdm final is a decent tranny choice. there will still be a good sized gap between 4th and 5th but that might not matter depending on your max RPM and trap speed for 1/4 mile.

as far as the rest i say just buy a tranny whole and dont deal with that whoel gear swappin BS. its a real pita (ive had my tranny apart 3 times now). and 1200 for a jdm R tranny and 800 for a gsr seems reasonable to me.

if your powerband is 5-8k i say jdm R. if its 6-9k then go with your proposed setup.

personally i have a USDM R tranny with JDM final act clutch and prolite FW and i think its decent but to short for my application.

edit: ok doing the math i say sell the gsr and by a jdm R. your talkin about alot of money here. were talkin 5-600 out of pocket to sell yours and buy an r compared to buying all the gearing and synchros for like 1700+ (synchros are like 150 for the 3-4 and 200 for the 1-2 then 130 for the 5-r and then what 400 or so for all the gears then another 800 for the quaife). now all that money for what? you spent 3 times the amout you would spend for a jdm R and you have a tranny with the exact same gearing as a JDM type R except it has a shorter 4th gear and a quaife. dude thats alot of money and time to swap that stuff. tranny work isnt easy ive done it. just swap for an r tranny.




Modified by JCushing at 11:20 AM 9/20/2003

Project SSAP1

do what bob-dc2 said..just buy a jdm 98 itr tranny..and sell ur gsr tranny..way easier

rodimus

my syncros are fine. so what you said 400 for all the gears?
what if i went with just the 1-3 gears since i'm going with a 4.785 FD?
and the quaife unit can be had for less than 800..it owns the oem itr lsd.
but i can get an oem itr lsd for cheap too.

for me, it might be easier to buy these parts one by one then to come up with
1200-1400 to spend on a jdm itr tranny 98 spec and i dunno what the condition
of the tranny is, right?

explain why you think your setup is "too short" for your application

thanks again to everyone for the useful contribution. i swear if h-t wasn't around i'd be putting stupid **** into my car lol

rodimus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Project H22DC4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do what bob-dc2 said..just buy a jdm 98 itr tranny..and sell ur gsr tranny..way easier</TD></TR></TABLE>
1. find me a jdm 98 spec itr tranny for "1200"
2. find me someone who will buy a gsr tranny for 800, i just saw 4 in the classifieds and the highest one was selling for 650 obo

owen_the_soyboy

Hey, sell your GSR tranny and buy a B16 tranny. They are usually the same price (GSR vs. B16). Plus the B16 has the same gearing as ITR tranny. Now, if you want LSD maybe you can get a B16 LSD tranny from an importer. If you want the ATS FD as well then go for it.

JCushing

"used tranny you take a risk. this way the gears are new..
maybe i'll even get new synchros and save mine as spare "

"my syncros are fine"

im only going by what you tell me. you say one second there fine and another you say you might replace em.

i was going by what BOB dc2 said for the gears.... i didnt price em out

first 1st gear is the same in gsr and itr

honestly if you dont want to shell out the $ then just get the final drive ( i dont see a point in changin out the gears), jdm or maybe even ATS... an ats 4.9 would be nice in a gsr.

i have never seen a new quaife shipped for less than 800 but hey i could be wrong
why do you think its better? have you used one? have you used a type r?

my tranny is too short for my setup cause i have anon vtec b20z, when i redline it i only drop to like 5k in each gear. for this engine i should drop to like 4k to stay in my tq curve better. this will change once i go vtec though....

Rob Dizzle

okay mr "i know it all."

go get your parts from the dealer and be out more money than you should be.

we are just trying to suggest some other options that will save you money and give you better performance. isnt h-t all about helping people out?

why not get the ats fd? please explain if you have the money to buy all new gears, why u cant spend an extra 300 bux for the ats vs jdm fd

JCushing

yeah im gonna re-suggest my ats FD suggestion. those prices i gave for the synchros are what they used to be. looks like they went up btw and thats from an online dealer.

oh yeah and an ats FD and quafe is like 1200 bux isnt it? just buy they JDM r

Rob Dizzle

ats is 700 if you look around alot

quaife is 785 shipped from camp1320

plus gears and syncs 400~

rodimus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by owen_the_soyboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey, sell your GSR tranny and buy a B16 tranny. They are usually the same price (GSR vs. B16). Plus the B16 has the same gearing as ITR tranny. Now, if you want LSD maybe you can get a B16 LSD tranny from an importer. If you want the ATS FD as well then go for it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ask around about the b16 syncros vs. type r's

rodimus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCushing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"used tranny you take a risk. this way the gears are new..
maybe i'll even get new synchros and save mine as spare "

"my syncros are fine"

im only going by what you tell me. you say one second there fine and another you say you might replace em.
yah i wasn't too sure if i had to purchase the syncros with the gears
i was going by what BOB dc2 said for the gears.... i didnt price em out

first 1st gear is the same in gsr and itr
on me...its only the 4.785 out of the itr that improves the 1st gear..or in your case..an ATS
honestly if you dont want to shell out the $ then just get the final drive ( i dont see a point in changin out the gears), jdm or maybe even ATS... an ats 4.9 would be nice in a gsr.

i have never seen a new quaife shipped for less than 800 but hey i could be wrong
why do you think its better? have you used one? have you used a type r?

my tranny is too short for my setup cause i have anon vtec b20z, when i redline it i only drop to like 5k in each gear. for this engine i should drop to like 4k to stay in my tq curve better. this will change once i go vtec though....
makes sense..be sure to use a gsr head
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rodimus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay mr "i know it all."
scroll up..a thank you went out to you and everyone else who has contributed to this thread so far
go get your parts from the dealer and be out more money than you should be.
i get 15% off my next purchase
we are just trying to suggest some other options that will save you money and give you better performance. isnt h-t all about helping people out?
again scroll up and read what i put after thanking everyone
why not get the ats fd? please explain if you have the money to buy all new gears, why u cant spend an extra 300 bux for the ats vs jdm fd
an ats 4.9 FD would be nice, but my 2nd gear in my gsr would still be inferior to a type r's 2nd gear. i'm a daily driver..i want the best accelleration possible around town. i didn't need all new gears...now thanks to you and jcushing i realize i only need gears 2-3 (and the counter gears?) no syncros, an FD and an LSD if i really wanted.

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again, sorry if i come out as a cocky mr know it all, the fact of the matter is..it's hard as hell to come up on an itr tranny..especially 98 jdm spec..and when you do..it's usually not 1200. plus, i know for a fact i cannot sell my gsr tranny for 800.

JCushing

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=623370 &lt;-- 1100
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=607360 &lt;--1400 but brand new (10 miles)

instant message brian also
b18c1_powered_si

"or in your case..an ATS "

i have the JDM 4.785

"yah i wasn't too sure if i had to purchase the syncros with the gears "

they come as a "sleeve set" a couple gears with a slider and some spacers

you could prolly sell your gsr tranny to a local person for 800 bux if its in good condition and they can check the gears out. 700 is the going price though i think. 1200 is pretty much the going price for itr's online anyway.

those girls on your web page with you are hot btw

rodimus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCushing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=623370 &lt;-- 1100
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=607360 &lt;--1400 but brand new (10 miles)
yah that first guy won't ship..and i'm pretty sure that 2nd one isn't 98 jdm spec.. good lookin out tho
instant message brian also
b18c1_powered_si
yah he has a non 98 jdm spec type r tranny but with a kaaz lsd for like 1600?
"or in your case..an ATS "

i have the JDM 4.785
lucky baastahd =P
"yah i wasn't too sure if i had to purchase the syncros with the gears "

they come as a "sleeve set" a couple gears with a slider and some spacers
so basically i do or do not need to purchase the syncros? i'm getting confused..maybe if i wasn't bald i would be blonde lol
you could prolly sell your gsr tranny to a local person for 800 bux if its in good condition and they can check the gears out. 700 is the going price though i think. 1200 is pretty much the going price for itr's online anyway.

those girls on your web page with you are hot btw
hot girls require alot of responsibility lol </TD></TR></TABLE>

JCushing

wether you need new syncros or not i cant tell you.

go to http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org

look under MT mainshaft and MT countershaft. countershaft has the 1-2 sleeve set and mainshaft has the 3-4 and 5-r

the main and counter gears are on there too

rodimus

MT MAINSHAFT

16339 010 1 SLEEVE SET (5-R) 134.88
16289 008 1 GEAR 73.21
16247 007 1 WASHER (20X30X4) 4.90
16214 006 1 GEAR, REVERSE IDLE 45.00
16042 005 1 GEAR 86.58
15992 004 1 GEAR SET 245.33
15945 003 1 GEAR 139.74
15780 002 1 SHAFT 22.00
15666 001 1 MAINSHAFT 255.96


MT COUNTERSHAFT

16187 007 1 SLEEVE SET (1-2) 308.63
16145 006 1 GEAR 58.74
16100 005 1 GEAR 53.87
16067 004 1 GEAR 45.96
15901 003 1 GEAR 83.15
15815 002 1 GEAR 75.89
15721 001 1 COUNTERSHAFT 261.06


i'm only interested in swapping gears 2nd and 3rd.
fd and lsd i have a source for. anyone know exactly what to point out between these two pics?



Modified by EVOL at 2:45 PM 9/22/2003

5w20

just incase someone hasnt pointed out...

1st gear is on the mainshaft...so if you want to change it youll need the mainshaft...

but if you are only doing 2nd and 3rd you only need the gears for the mainshaft and countershaft

JCushing

well theres not much point in changing out first is there....

1OPTION

Did my Tranny on my Supra but not my ITR. SOrry i cant help. Have a beer