B16b or B18c(GSR)
10-05-2007, 05:56 PM
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B16b or B18c(GSR)
Im going to swap a motor into my em1 cant decide which to go with are b16b's high maintenance motors cas Im looking to daily drive it, but I also want it to be quick and just throw some minor bolt-ons would I be better off getting a B18c (GSR) or the B16b.
10-05-2007, 06:07 PM
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depends on your funds and many other factors. my suggestion is peice together a Ls-v or B20-v. But it really depends on your budget,goals, preferences etc.
10-06-2007, 08:25 AM
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I have the money to buy either of the motors so I cant decide...I just want to know how long a motor like that will last being that its a race inspired motor with hella high compression.
10-06-2007, 08:35 AM
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Re: (Chrisdotcom)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chrisdotcom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the money to buy either of the motors so I cant decide...I just want to know how long a motor like that will last being that its a race inspired motor with hella high compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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They're stock Honda motors. They'll last as long as any other stock Honda motor that's daily driven and properly maintained. Compression levels in the 10.0-10.8:1 ratio range are not considered to be high.
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They're stock Honda motors. They'll last as long as any other stock Honda motor that's daily driven and properly maintained. Compression levels in the 10.0-10.8:1 ratio range are not considered to be high.
10-06-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: B16b or B18c(GSR) (Chrisdotcom)
I daily drive my b16b and I love it! very fun motor. You can use the money and build something stronger but i dont think you want to build right now apparently. But my friend has a gsr with bolt-ons, and he rather have the b16b. It lacks torque but i still love it. You can also swap in b18 crank and rods in the future and make it a beast. 
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10-07-2007, 02:34 PM
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Re: B16b or B18c(GSR) (b19coupe)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SmoothCTR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I daily drive my b16b and I love it! very fun motor. You can use the money and build something stronger but i dont think you want to build right now apparently. But my friend has a gsr with bolt-ons, and he rather have the b16b. It lacks torque but i still love it. You can also swap in b18 crank and rods in the future and make it a beast. </TD></TR></TABLE> 
Get the b18c1 gsr and put a b16 head on it.. and then tell me that **** lacks torque
Get the b18c1 gsr and put a b16 head on it.. and then tell me that **** lacks torque
10-07-2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: B16b or B18c(GSR) (SilvrBullet GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilvrBullet GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Get the b18c1 gsr and put a b16 head on it.. and then tell me that **** lacks torque</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im not talking about a b18c... Im saying a stock b16b lacks low end torque
Get the b18c1 gsr and put a b16 head on it.. and then tell me that **** lacks torque</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im not talking about a b18c... Im saying a stock b16b lacks low end torque
10-08-2007, 07:44 AM
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Re: B16b or B18c(GSR) (SilvrBullet GSR)
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Get the b18c1 gsr and put a b16 head on it.. and then tell me that **** lacks torque</TD></TR></TABLE>
it will lack torque and power overall due to the lower compression of that combo.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8L_allmotormilitia »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b18c w/ cams if you have $. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd go for a final drive instead
Get the b18c1 gsr and put a b16 head on it.. and then tell me that **** lacks torque</TD></TR></TABLE>
it will lack torque and power overall due to the lower compression of that combo.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8L_allmotormilitia »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b18c w/ cams if you have $. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd go for a final drive instead
10-08-2007, 05:17 PM
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Re: (1.8L_allmotormilitia)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8L_allmotormilitia »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b18c w/ cams if you have $. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats why I was thinking of getting the B18c couldn't I just throw some ITR cams I.M. Header and exhaust with a little tune, and be making more than the b16b....another thing is the high *** gear ratio of the CTR tranny. But the fact of having a CTR motor is quite nice. Dont know I need to decide soon so I can get my car running.
Modified by Chrisdotcom at 7:28 PM 10/8/2007
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thats why I was thinking of getting the B18c couldn't I just throw some ITR cams I.M. Header and exhaust with a little tune, and be making more than the b16b....another thing is the high *** gear ratio of the CTR tranny. But the fact of having a CTR motor is quite nice. Dont know I need to decide soon so I can get my car running.
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10-09-2007, 02:46 PM
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Re: (Chrisdotcom)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chrisdotcom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
....another thing is the high *** gear ratio of the CTR tranny.
Modified by Chrisdotcom at 7:28 PM 10/8/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
wtf??
....another thing is the high *** gear ratio of the CTR tranny.
Modified by Chrisdotcom at 7:28 PM 10/8/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
wtf??
10-09-2007, 03:53 PM
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cheesedick Im talking bout the final drive isnt it 4.89 or 4.9 something ridiculous like that. And Im asking for info about a ctr/jdm gsr motor you obviously have an ITR motor and your not contributing anything helpful to my thread so GTFO.
10-09-2007, 04:23 PM
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Re: (Chrisdotcom)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chrisdotcom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cheesedick Im talking bout the final drive isnt it 4.89 or 4.9 something ridiculous like that. And Im asking for info about a ctr/jdm gsr motor you obviously have an ITR motor and your not contributing anything helpful to my thread so GTFO. </TD></TR></TABLE>
actually it might be the 4.785, which is only like one more tooth on the final gear than the EM1 or USDM ITR, and is hardly discernable when running that against the 4.4 final drive tranny, in the 1/4 mile, for example.
and don't call strangers on honda-tech, such as 00Red_Sir, a 'cheesedick'. he happens to be quite knowledgeable. save the cheesedick for the fcktards that deserve it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>actually it might be the 4.785, which is only like one more tooth on the final gear than the EM1 or USDM ITR, and is hardly discernable when running that against the 4.4 final drive tranny, in the 1/4 mile, for example.
and don't call strangers on honda-tech, such as 00Red_Sir, a 'cheesedick'. he happens to be quite knowledgeable. save the cheesedick for the fcktards that deserve it.
10-09-2007, 04:32 PM
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save the cheesedick for the fcktards that deserve it.
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Let me go one step further, save those comments for PM status or better yet not at all.
save the cheesedick for the fcktards that deserve it.
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Let me go one step further, save those comments for PM status or better yet not at all.
10-09-2007, 04:38 PM
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Re: B16b or B18c(GSR) (NAallthewayEM1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NAallthewayEM1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">take your tranny from your em1 and put it with the b18c, thats what i have and i like it a lot</TD></TR></TABLE>
fair enough.
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fair enough
fair enough.
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fair enough
10-09-2007, 04:47 PM
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Isn't a b16b the same block as the b18c just with less stroke? Since you plan on putting it in your civic I say go with the b16b, you can always get more torque out of later.
10-09-2007, 05:24 PM
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Re: (AussieGSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AussieGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't a b16b the same block as the b18c just with less stroke? Since you plan on putting it in your civic I say go with the b16b, you can always get more torque out of later.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wouldnt say its the same block with just less stroke...Getting torque out of a n/a b16b is much easier said than done. I dont think its right to just say you can go get torque out of a 1.6L later on. HP is much easier made in n/a form on hondas vs obtaining torque.
Im going to have to side with the b18c on this one. The b16b is a great endurance motor and to me, thats the only reason to grab it. It is a good motor no doubt, but the torque advantage that the gsr has over the b16b wins in my book.
I wouldnt say its the same block with just less stroke...Getting torque out of a n/a b16b is much easier said than done. I dont think its right to just say you can go get torque out of a 1.6L later on. HP is much easier made in n/a form on hondas vs obtaining torque.
Im going to have to side with the b18c on this one. The b16b is a great endurance motor and to me, thats the only reason to grab it. It is a good motor no doubt, but the torque advantage that the gsr has over the b16b wins in my book.
10-09-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: (iVteC_PoWeR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iVteC_PoWeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldnt say its the same block with just less stroke...Getting torque out of a n/a b16b is much easier said than done. I dont think its right to just say you can go get torque out of a 1.6L later on. HP is much easier made in n/a form on hondas vs obtaining torque.
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My point is that it has the same deck height as the b18c, so if you want you can always add some stroke to it or bore it and end up basically getting the same displacement you would out of a b18c. Saying that "horsepower is made easier vs. obtaining torque on hondas" as well as on any motor is ridiculous, horsepower is made from torque, so without torque you have no horsepower. The B18B has more horsepower stock than the b18c, you can rev it higher, imo better motor to work with.
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My point is that it has the same deck height as the b18c, so if you want you can always add some stroke to it or bore it and end up basically getting the same displacement you would out of a b18c. Saying that "horsepower is made easier vs. obtaining torque on hondas" as well as on any motor is ridiculous, horsepower is made from torque, so without torque you have no horsepower. The B18B has more horsepower stock than the b18c, you can rev it higher, imo better motor to work with.
10-09-2007, 07:22 PM
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b16b is jus a destroked itr motor.. same block as an itr but jus stamped b16b. i say go for a b16b. u benefit factory port n polish head, ctr cams, and lsd tranny. u can always stroke it with factory itr bottom end parts if u want more torque. if u think ctr has short gear ratio, its same as a b16 tranny but it has lsd. 96 itr tranny, ctr tranny, and b16 tranny has 4.4 final drive and 98 itr tranny has 4.785 final drive.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chrisdotcom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cheesedick Im talking bout the final drive isnt it 4.89 or 4.9 something ridiculous like that. And Im asking for info about a ctr/jdm gsr motor you obviously have an ITR motor and your not contributing anything helpful to my thread so GTFO. </TD></TR></TABLE>
96 itr tranny is same gear ratio as ctr tranny... i have a 96 itr swap in a ek hatch and get over 315 miles to the tank.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chrisdotcom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cheesedick Im talking bout the final drive isnt it 4.89 or 4.9 something ridiculous like that. And Im asking for info about a ctr/jdm gsr motor you obviously have an ITR motor and your not contributing anything helpful to my thread so GTFO. </TD></TR></TABLE>
96 itr tranny is same gear ratio as ctr tranny... i have a 96 itr swap in a ek hatch and get over 315 miles to the tank.
10-09-2007, 07:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by autox228 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16b is jus a destroked itr motor.. same block as an itr but jus stamped b16b. i say go for a b16b. u benefit factory port n polish head, ctr cams, and lsd tranny. u can always stroke it with factory itr bottom end parts if u want more torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thank you that is exactly what I was thinking.
Thank you that is exactly what I was thinking.
10-09-2007, 10:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by autox228 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16b is jus a destroked itr motor.. same block as an itr but jus stamped b16b. i say go for a b16b. u benefit factory port n polish head, ctr cams, and lsd tranny. u can always stroke it with factory itr bottom end parts if u want more torque. if u think ctr has short gear ratio, its same as a b16 tranny but it has lsd. 96 itr tranny, ctr tranny, and b16 tranny has 4.4 final drive and 98 itr tranny has 4.785 final drive.
96 itr tranny is same gear ratio as ctr tranny... i have a 96 itr swap in a ek hatch and get over 315 miles to the tank. </TD></TR></TABLE>
X2 this man knows what hes talking about
96 itr tranny is same gear ratio as ctr tranny... i have a 96 itr swap in a ek hatch and get over 315 miles to the tank. </TD></TR></TABLE>
X2
this man knows what hes talking about
10-10-2007, 09:13 AM
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Thanks for the help...
And 00Red_SiR wasn't helping me out in any-way he was trying to make me seem like a noob. I was just simply asking for help surely you can understand my position he wasn't contributing anything helpful. I know I should keep it to the PM's I apologize thanks for the help everyone.
And 00Red_SiR wasn't helping me out in any-way he was trying to make me seem like a noob. I was just simply asking for help surely you can understand my position he wasn't contributing anything helpful. I know I should keep it to the PM's I apologize thanks for the help everyone.