mitsuman

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it has been on my brain for a couple of weeks now, and i dont get it. i believe that in allmotor applications the power is more throughout the rpms. but if your doing like 450 whp turbo the power is still higher, at the rpms shifting at when racing, than the allmotor car but the allmotor car may be just as fast or actually faster. so im stumped. 450 whp can get you what? 11.5? with much less hp you can run that allmotor. somebody please explain to me why. thanks

am i making any sence?

jdmcivicferio

traction

NorCalAllMtr408

Turbo lag....

CompressionFed

All-Motor power is linear.

BERT-O

By studying the dyno graph, traction, gearing and driver.........all has something to do with it.

ls95hatch

because allmotor is ******* awesome!!

GeeSR18C

all motor setups make so much less torque than a turbo setup, and it is much easier to launch a front wheel drive car with less torque. On a highway race though....turbo will usually have the advantage

0Mike95lude

Someone already said it....traction.
A turbo car that makes 230whp will have much more torque than the all-motor setup with 230whp and thus will pull harder throughout the entire rpm range than the allmotor car.

Rollo Lawson

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also, every n/a car has some sort of weight reduction, whereas, most f.i. cars are regular weight. from what i've seen its always traction. n/a cars hook and f.i cars spin because of there overall power and gross display of lag after the shift. less power means more traction. end of story. n/a cars have a larger area under the curve and hella responsivness, but, from what i know, can only be utilized out of the hole. on the roll, if you are in a n/a car, stay way from f.i. cars.

mitsuman

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well it cant all be traction cus if your making enough power all motor you will still have trouble launching. my 230whp turbo ef ran a 13.1 if i had 230 whp allmotor in there id be runnin low 11's. now traction cant give that much diff.

thanks for the responses

jwaked

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bs-inc

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so true... one of the reasons i want to go n/a

0Mike95lude

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All-motor power may be linear but in the case of this question FI 230whp will have much more usable power and will make more power everywhere.

Drag_Racer_DRU

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gezer

foos ! its easy question. Its cause the turbo lag, the power isnt there when u step on it with a turbo car. traction? huh!?

diulay_pkjai

I agree. Turbo'd cars are usually stock weight or heavier than stock because of the turbo stouff. N/A cars usually swapped a bigger engine into a lighter car. I think the weight difference and turbo is harder to launch are the reason.

Nvious R

Your avatar is the **** BS-inc! hahahahahaha
thats all motor slappin up the blowdryers.

siR cr-x

all motor power is their when you hit the gas turbo has that lag I would also say all motor power is stronger than turbo too

rice4life

iTrader: (3)

turbo car can weight 100+ lbs more because of turbo equipment. turbo lag is only in 1st gear, in a race you shift at redline there is no turbo lag.

20lbbooster

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike95lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Someone already said it....traction.
A turbo car that makes 230whp will have much more torque than the all-motor setup with 230whp and thus will pull harder throughout the entire rpm range than the allmotor car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is more to it than just traction. Are you saying that a 230whp all motor car cant spin tires or something?? Do a 1st gear rolling start in a 230whp all motor car and you will smoke 'em worse than a 230whp turbo car. are you saying that the 230whp turbo car would beat the 230whp all motor car from a punch, say 20mph punch?

A turbo car that makes 230whp will have much more lag than an all motor car that makes 230whp and will not pull harder than the all motor car in the mid to low rpms, before the turbo car hits some higher rpms, such as VTEC range. the all motor car will blast as soon as the foot hits the gas.

Team 4

Not if you use a responsive turbocharger. I think Bert-O has given the best answer so far though.

sleepin91teg

Well my theory is alot...but all motor is more expensive to get the same hp #'s as you would pay to get that hp # for a turbo application...

I think with a turbo theres alot more weight, so that plays a roll...
Also traction and gearing...shorter gears all motor!

Driver will always play the biggest role, so we cant assume that, because no 2 of us out here are the same driver...

emotionisdead

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CompressionFed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All-Motor power is linear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

turbo power is more peaky.....plus all moter has the advantage when it comes to traction issues.

kungfuSiR

iTrader: (1)

I think the best way to look at it is compare a turbo dyno graph to an all motor cars dyno graph




Both cars have similar hp numbers, but if you look at the all motor dyno there is more usuable power throughout the powerband instead of just peak hp. People usually over look what the graph looks like as apossed to the peak hp they laid down.

Most people think it's nicer to say to someone that you have X hp, instead of saying how much usuable power you have, but personally I'll take the usuable power any day.

FlipSkater

im confused you have been on her for over two years right?and this threads keep coming up over and over again....


lets see 230 allmotor vs 230 turbo?big factors traction,turbo lag