formby

if you would like a real 2004+ TL racing header from the same person that made them for the factory acura racing team

read on


my boss has a 2006 Tl and more money than he knows what to do with so he wants the same "header" the factory sponsored team used on their TL back in late 04 early 05 at the 24HR thunderhill enduro.

[2005 march issue of honda tuning mag]

they stated that the header released 15hp and 17ftlbs on a mule engine, but it looks like it was more 30hp with the hondata

KEEP READING



I decided to call the original makers of the "header" and came up with

Joe McCarthy

from http://prototyperacing.com/


i sent him this email

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
hello

i would like to know if your company would be able to make a "header" for my 2006 TL.

i just need it to start after the first cats and stop before the third cat.

its supercharged [comptech] and has the pro cats from eshift.

i spoke with fullrace but rather you make it for me. since your company made it for the race team.

thanks
J.P Formby

ps.
cost is not an issue

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he replied as follows

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hi JP,
I guess the 'subject' line says it all, RACING means no CATS.

That's what I built for Honda's TL and Baja Ridgeline, and if it's still got CATS it's not a racing header.

It was the removal of the CATS that made the 30 HP improvement, that and a little ECU tuning.

Consequently if I did what you wanted me to you'd see very little if any gain, either in torque or HP.

Superchargers and turbochargers are very sensitive to pumping losses either in the intake or exhaust, so a substantial amount of the boost your engine is seeing is purely a function of the exhaust being restrictive and to a large degree the CATS are responsible for that condition.

Removing the CATS would very likely produce a drop in boost pressure and most certainly an increase in torque and HP, AND make the engine much happier since the EGT would be reduced as well.

I've already built production fixtures for the pipes as I built them for Honda, and if enough of the TL community decides they want this exhaust system I'll do a production run of them.

As it is currently development of my intercooled M62 supercharged K20A-Elise keeps me plenty busy, and the new M90-based system I'm developing now should keep me busy for some time to come.

I stopped building headers as a business about 8 years ago, so the only thing that will motivate me is if enough TL guys want to go for the existing setup I built for my friends at Honda.


Money isn't a motivating factor for me, it's the R&D that I love.
So talk it up a bit and see if there are 50 guys willing to get rid of their CATS and gain some power.

I've already talked it over with my friends at Hondata, and they're willing to do it as a package deal with an ECU reflash.

Comptech came to Hondata for ECU tuning, so I'm sure we could do a special tune for your car as well.
Take care,
Joe</TD></TR></TABLE>


So i need 50 people to want to make HP and buy a "header" from

http://prototyperacing.com/


discuss

YeuEmMaiMai

you cannot make a header for a car where it's already cast into the cylander head

see illustration for 04+ TL below



#2 is what you need to look at.

you are removing the cat and putting in a straight pipe and that is where the gains come from.....don't waste your cash on him...

formby

he actually made the"header"/ "test pipe" for our engines..

why not try it?... acura thought it would improve performance.

its like saying that a stock b16 exh manifold is perfect and we dont need a header to make power...

30 hp is significant, & the cats already cost 1k from eshift


remember it wont pass smog because of no cats

but we live in FL so we dont have to worry...

YeuEmMaiMai

removing a catalytic converter is ILLEGAL in MOST states would be the first reason that comes to mind......

and it isn't a header, got it? it's a test pipe and I like the ability to be able to breathe.... thanks the the pollution that the catalytic converter removes from the air.........

formby

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YeuEmMaiMai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">removing a catalytic converter is ILLEGAL in MOST states would be the first reason that comes to mind......</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes... MOST
not FL
read the last part of my last post.
i dont care about other places... i live in fl


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YeuEmMaiMai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and it isn't a header, got it? it's a test pipe and I like the ability to be able to breathe.... thanks the the pollution that the catalytic converter removes from the air.........</TD></TR></TABLE>


i know its a test pipe thats why the word header is under "" [AND I INCLUDED THE WORD TEST PIPE AFTER]. i was just trying to help people understand its function better and since we cant buy a header for this car this is the closest thing to one.

and if you dont want to be included in the list then FU&lt;K off....you dont have to be... dont post


i dont really care about you being able to breathe or the fact that you dont like taking off the cats. you arent that important to me [i dont know you]


its a racing peace END OF STORY

get it?

that means the cats come out...


and BTW why are you trying to ruing my thread?

i'm just trying to find people that would like it.

you dont like it and thats fine. you dont have to buy it.

have a nice day big guy




Modified by formby at 9:50 PM 2/16/2007

YeuEmMaiMai

Idiots like you who remove the pollution controls from their cars are the reason that the rest of us who do things LEGALLY have so many troubles. It won't be long before the GLOBAL WARMING ***** come to FL and get the law changed.....

Are you so desperate for HP that you would even consider doing something like this?

and before you say it won't happen look around and see what the government has already told you that you cannot do.......

read this

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/law...s.pdf

it won't be long before that catalytic converter law changes..... they have already started with fluids being improperly disposed of.....

formby

dude whats your deal?

are you from cali or something? or do you just like to spread alot of bull?

chill out, aparently this is not for you.. i understand . sometimes we dis what we cant have... its called hating

GLOBAL WARMING *****??? WTF lol
[ you mean yourself?]


read my posts and actually try to understand one simple fact

IT'S A RACING PIECE...

RACING MEANS NO CATS {and if you wanted you could buy a racing CAT and put it down the exhaust piping}
PEOPLE HAVE CHOICES
maybe not in cali
[but thats the reason it sucks]


fine you like to hug trees and all...get over it..


ohh look at me, my name is YeuEmMaiMai i want to save the world one TL header[ sorry TEST PIPE] at a time..... i get butt hurt when people dont do thing like i like it. some KY PLEASE

Otherguy

global warming isnt just from cars either, its from to many damn PEOPLE

formby

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I took the fixtures along with the original pipes from Honda's TL to the
best production facility I know yesterday to get a quote on a production run
of 50 units.

Once I get the quotation from them I'll let you know what the
cost will be and what the production time-frame will be once I have all of
the 50% deposits.

Once that's finalized I'll have them build 2 first article
units so we can do the ECU tuning [one N/A and one S/C], and for that we'll
need a couple of people on the list who are local to the L.A. area to
volunteer their cars for a couple of days so Doug can generate the new ECU
calibrations.

I suppose the only option will be whether or not some people want the
package deal with the Hondata ECU reflash or just the header on it's own.
Take care,
Joe


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this was the last email i recieved

DaiJekBok

Catalytic converters are a FEDERAL requirement, not a state level requirement. Florida did away with emissions testing several years ago so there are no longer inspections of emissions equipment/performance but removing the catalytic converter on a roadgoing car is illegal. The fact that Florida no longer performs annual checks doesn't mean it's ok to remove emissions equipment.

formby

ok

AND????


who said you HAVE to run the exhaust with out a cat?

you can buy a high flow cat for 50 bucks
[carb legal and all] and install it down the exhaust piping

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...photo

now what?

problem solved
unless you need to have the 3 cats to pass smog


this is the first time in my life were gear heads dont get exited about a race proven product. that no one else makes.

DaiJekBok

I was just correcting some misstatements, I can't really get too excited since I don't own my '04 TL anymore.

Ricer no 7

hehe

hey don't hate on cali

I ran catless for a while a little to loud for me and got scared since i live in cali.

But nice gains just from the cat removal. I wish i could gain that kind of power on my teg then I would be catless instead of my hi flow. nice

whats up with all the HATERS hehe

TurboSam

i would consider this depending on the price

datplayaz

I would love to have it... I don't need a cat

formby

thanks... if you sign up at acurazine.com

go to the TL section under performance youll see the thread about this... they like the idea more so ill do the list over there i think..


TTT

formby

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums...70332

TurboSam

ok, so even on acurazine there still isnt a PRICE

formby

before i get into financial talks with this guy i want to know that i have a demographic.

so if i get at least 50 people who are willing to spend 1k+/- and really want it; i can get a better price than if i just talk like i'm dreaming.

TurboSam

well, im not going to commit without knowing a price

mark_is_gay

THis is honda-tech. It isn't a forum about smog, or the environment, stop funkin this guys post up, its a free country. U dont like it, leave the post alone. not so hard to do. Capishhhhhhhh


pretty nice item.

accordselux

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mark_is_gay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THis is honda-tech. It isn't a forum about smog, or the environment, stop funkin this guys post up, its a free country. U dont like it, leave the post alone. not so hard to do. Capishhhhhhhh


pretty nice item. </TD></TR></TABLE>

But it's our responsibility to leave those in on a street car. Go nuts if it's a track car. But in a daily driven vehicle, there's so many other places to make power, removing the cats should not be in the top 5.

mark_is_gay

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But it's our responsibility to leave those in on a street car. Go nuts if it's a track car. But in a daily driven vehicle, there's so many other places to make power, removing the cats should not be in the top 5.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Sounds great, but why would he be hear hacking at this dudes post. If he wants to do it, and florida allows you to, i dont see a difference.

formby

i have 5 interested people so far in acurazine.com

thanks for the bump guys
ordered the SC from escondito acura 1 week ago... its here and acura will install AND i KEEP MY WARRANTY ha...

i'm having them install the eshift procats until this "header" goes through [ordered them today...$1,115...] i hope they dont have a problem with the cats


i dont even know how much the price is...but if i have 50 people interested then i can neg. i have nothing to stand on with no interest.

formby

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