Which one is the better header TODA or SMS ? What are the differences between the two headers that makes it better (bigger primaries or) ? Why is the SMSP the best header ? thanks...

 

Both are excellent headers. But I would go with TODA just becuase they have more experience in making parts.

 

LoL
all sms does is make exhasut parts to my knowledge

 

well they are of about equal quality, although I picked the Toda for my 1.8L NA setup, if I would've went 2.0L I would've gotten a SMSP for sure

 

hmm! that makes me think of going with the sms header

 

 

I would go Toda if I have a 1.8L Toda cams set up. For other set up, I would go SMSP header!!

 

Dave's header is WORLDS above the Toda, no matter what setup your running. Both are quality pieces, but the SMS quite frankly blows the Toda away in the performance category.

Jason-
a former Toda header owner, and soon to be SMS header owner

 

Toda makes mass-market off the shelf headers. Dave at SMSP makes custom headers built specifically for your setup. Hmm...hard choice

What's different about the SMSP header is it's sequential pairing of primaries. The Toda uses the old style non-sequential 1-4 2-3 pairing of cylinders. The sequential pairing works better with the firing order in allowing the pulses to pull each other through the header quicker.

Also the SMSP is not restricted to stock length like the Toda is in order to be "bolt-on". Dave made the header the length that works best, not a length that just matches the stock header. Tuan showed this comparison of an old HyTech header vs. Comptech header. The Toda is the same length as the Comptech, and the SMSP is the same length or maybe a bit longer than the HyTech. There is just a world of difference between a mass-market header and a custom built header like SMSP.



EDIT: added pic


[Modified by SurferX, 9:09 AM 6/12/2002]

 

SMSP HEADERS

 

Sorry, but I didn't realize I had to be THAT specific. Yes, Dave produces custom headers. These will outperform the Toda.

Jason-
who's not quite sure what SurferX was inferring...

 

Heh, I wasn't really replying to you, I just happened to click on your reply button. I was talking about the original post.

 

yeah but wont the oversized header rubb on the ground so damn bad you ruin the custom header you just spent a grand on ?
I drive my R daily, so if rubbing is a problem then it turns into more of a reliablility factor then a proof of power delima....right
I know I wouldnt want to buy a header that is going to be a pain in the azz to install and then last a month due to pot wholes for an extra two ponies
*just a thought*
also can you run a cat w/ this setup?

 

SMSP's header has better ground clearance than the regular 4-1's. I don't know how they compare to the 4-2-1's.

 

Clearance is good. The Toda has better clearance since it is only 2 tubes down there, but the latest SMS ITR headers have excellent clearance. If you get the GSR version with the 4 tubes side by side, then there's no way you'll bang it up unless you bottom out on the oil pan. If you go with the GSR version, you'll have to shave the tranny brace, or just get a GSR version.

Warren

 

Josh thanks for the in this and other header threads.

The header in that comparison photo is a HiTech. My header is configured diffently for the ITR and again for the GSR. The tube sizes are different and I believe my header is longer. BTW, I'm finishing up the design of a new drag only 4-2-1 for a local racer which we hope won't be too long for the tunnel inlet . We'll post some pictures when it's built and if it proves to work like we hope.

As for the Toda header, I'm not aware of a controlled test between mine and it. But I believe it's one of the best high production headers available. If I was buying a production header I go for the following.

Budget minded
ITR JDM - If ground clearance is a concern
DC JDM Stainless - If ground clearance isn't a concern

More Liberal Budget
Toda - Great build quality and light weight (not crazy about the non functional springs)

 

Can you run a cat opn this setup?
How much is the header?
where to buy one?

 

Yeah, you can run a cat. Send an IM to Dave (SMSP) to get in line for a header. He'll tell you the cost as well.

Warren

 

Yes on the cat, please IM me for pricing.

Here are some other photos.

Warren's header from the side


GSR header in black ceramic coating


B20 header with SMSP/Moroso Oil Pan




B20 with stock oil pan



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Toda = 'race look'

Will

 

toda header is not worth a Bush light

go APC for best bang for buck

 

I'm just waiting to get somo money together so I can place my order for my SMSP header

 

Hell yeah! The springs do go great on keychains, though

Jason-
who still has his "Todachain"

 

still want to swap out your APC for my Chikara header before SP?? i got torque steps and chit.....good for low end

 

***** your tourqueee steps, snail stepz is where it'z at YO