OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck!
 

I just can't take it anymore. Two possibly 3 engine failures and no points once again. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/mad.gif http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/mad.gif http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif Sorry had to vent my immense frustration!


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Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 team suck! (HONDAF1)
 

everyone knows this...Honda deserve to get their butt kicked if they're not putting forth the kind of effort it takes to win.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 team suck! (HONDAF1)
 

I'm....
dying here....

I watch it like a bad addiction....that maybe just MAYBE we'll (Honda family) will get some points if the Ferraris blow up and the Mercedes crash....and the rest of the teams wheels fall off .....

Oh, the glory days of McLaren Honda..... BAR only got one podium finish last year if I'm not mistaken??

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Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 team suck! (Ross)
 

Well they are putting in 210 million, more than any other team including Ferrari and Toyota. All this money spent though makes Honda look even worse though. They are saying by Canada the power will be there but we will see!

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 team suck! (Ross)
 

Villneuve needs to sign with a better team. IMO he is probably top three in driving skill alone...the BAR chassis and Honda motor do him no justice at all.

Either way, it was a good race..Montoya came back to 5th from being 19, after his front end came off..quite entertaining.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (HONDAF1)
 

this is why F1 sucks

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

hey they may suck but listen to the Mugen F1 engine
http://hondaf1.vtec.net/av/Honda.wav

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (hooptie157)
 

I use that Mugen F1 engine sound for my voice mail! It scares the crap out of my girlfriend http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

F1 sucks because Honda are unable to produce a competitive engine? Interesting.

Today's race was excellent. The rest of this season promises to be an incredible battle between Schumacher and Montoya. Honda, unfortunately, are irrelevant.


[Modified by norice, 11:05 AM 3/31/2002]

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (norice)
 

its a little more than that. F1 sucks because its all lead and follow and wait til the guy in front of you blows up his motor. Thats it. period. It sucks ass. Oh and the drivers are jackasses and Im sick of people saying its the greatest thing ever. Whats so great about watching an overpaid european who thinks he is better than you drive an over priced go-kart around the track? NOTHING IMO

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck
 

Where do you think VTEC came from? It came from F1. Honda should've never left the sport.


Jeremy

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Titanium White)
 

Im not a VTEC zealot so I really dont care where it came from. F1 didnt design VTEC. An enginier did in order to basically cheat the rules. Even my friends dad who is a HUGE F1 fan says while NASCAR does a shotty job of some regulations. You know what you can and can not do to your car and motor. Its black and white. F1 teams spend millions of dollars only to have their idea be deamed against the rules and they cant use it.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (HONDAF1)
 

I am pissed as ever. Senna's days are long gone and along with the HONDA SPIRIT. Since Sorchiro Honda died, this company turned into so business oriented that all the racing spirit runs by business man, not young blood JR team like it used to be.
Look at street car, like what Spoon President said on the Vol. 54 Hot Version Best Motoring Video, " DC5R = Sporty Car,
DC2R= SPORT CAR, after new R lost the race with pissed off Tsuchiya driving it because Hattori drove away from him in the old Spoon DC2R.
eddie

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

So what million dollar ideas have been deemed against the rules? And I never said that "F1" designed VTEC. I said that it came from F1, meaning Honda developed it while running their F1 program. As for the Honda teams sucking arse, yes they do at the moment. Give them time. Look at Renult last year compared to this year. BAR's problem was thier chassis. They hired a guy (Malcolm Olster) who had no F1 experience. Olster came from CART. Designing a CART car is completely different than a F1 car. BAR found that out the hard way. That is why Olster is gone from BAR.


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Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Titanium White)
 

i know what some of them are but not a whole lot.


The idea of puttinbg a skirt around the car to create a vacum undet the car so it would stick to the ground... How about the Oval piston design? That was big.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Titanium White)
 

Yes, now their chief aerodynamcist (sp?) is from Williams so hopefully in a couple of races their aerodynamics will be up to par.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

Are you refering to Barge Boards? I'm not following... I know that in the late 70's thru the 80's, the cars had some sort of ground effects on them. As for the oval pistons, what team was that?

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

i know what some of them are <FONT COLOR="red">but not a whole lot</FONT>.

About sums it up.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (KJR)
 

Thats a referance to me not knowing all of them because i dont study and or follow F1. I make it a habit to not support people who dont l**** me. But there are plenty. I just listen to my friends dad and absorbe what what i absorbe. I cant stand F1, so why would study or care about it rather than have a couple referances?

Would it really matter if there wernt a whole lot anyway? Plain and simple, I hate F1 and nobody is changing my mind, until they the drivers treat the american fan with respect. They would just assume spit in your face, the fan, as they would spit in mine because you are a filthy american slob to them. Yoo are trash and if it wasnt for us, they wouldnt be racing today!!!

The oval piston was developed by Honda i think. Im really not sure and Fred isnt home to ask. But they ran 1 race before F1 outlawed it. WTF? They spent a ton of money only to be told they cant use it? BS. F1 rules dont evolve. They change to whoever is in charge and what he wants to see in the cars.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Titanium White)
 

i dont know the name, just what they were. I think it was a competator showed up with a plastic skirt around the bottom of his vehicle that would drag and form to the road undernieth. This creates a vacum and sucks the car down makign it handle much better than any other car.

Thats an example of cheap technological break through trhat they outlawed because they didnt like it. There a tons of these examples out there. I just dont remember the specifics.

I shouldnt say that I hate all F1. I like the old school early 20th century F1 when racing was racing, not million dollar teams up to about the 50s and some of the 60s.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

I myself watch both Nascar and F1 and CART and IRL. I don't believe all the drivers are stuck up sometimes it all culture differences. Someone once said MS acts all stuckup but he's not it's about how about most folks from Germany act. Someone said Japanese were stuckup and I said half the time they don't speak is because they don't understand and they rather not be embarrassed by it.

As for Honda engines blowing up I'm not sure whats going on with that but it seems like the engines are not any better then last yr even though they where improved on since last yr. In Japan Jordan looks to be the team Honda will back next yr if they perform better then BAR and plus having Japanese F1 driver on the team helps as well. BAR got problems there new team princepal from Prodrive is firing folks left and right I believe total of 50 have been let go. They said it will make the team better but it seems to me thats just 50 extra folks they don't have to pay anymore this yr.
As for JV he has too many excuses for not doing well and is getting out drove alot of the times by Panis. To me if the other #2 driver can drive faster then the #1 driver it's not the chassis it's the driver and his setup. JV if he leaves BAR then more then likely he will go with Jag as it's pretty certain Eddie I. will be gone after this yr is over. Heck maybe EI will goto BAR and JV to JAG. can't hurt them. But if EI doesn't get on with top 5-7 team he will end up with either on the former Prost team which should be coming around next yr or Arrows team which need better drivers.

Whats bad about Honda is there getting out done by the new Toyota team there first yr out and already have 2 points and Honda as none as of yet.
Next yr Toyota should be even better as they should have better aero package then this yr which right now is what holding the car back.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Racer-X)
 

Actually, JV has been driving very well. He hasn't been competitive for a LONG time now, so I imagine his skills may need a little honing. As far as Panis outdriving him, I haven't really seen that happen. In qualifying, he has "almost" always done better than Panis. In race situations, he also does better most of the time. The podium finishes at BAR were all from JV. If you take a look at the points standings from last year, I hardly call Panis' performance better than JV's...

Of course, I live in Quebec, so I guess I should be a JV supporter http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmilep.gif

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

That oval engined car was, in fact, developed by Honda, but it NEVER ran a race. They used the technology in a road race motorcycle: the NSR750.

The 'ground effects' cars were replaced back in the late 1970's!!! They were replaced with 'flat bottomed' cars with venturis at the rear behind the wheels which gave them even more downforce.

Dude, get your facts together. Please.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Racer-X)
 

I read in an F1 mag from Europe last night that the current Honda engine is extremely lightweight, contrary in design principle to previous Honda engines which were heavier to tolerate the stress of an entire F1 race better. The heavier engines from last year made up for their weight by producing more power. One advantage of this year's engine is the 90 degree V-angle though.

The article went on to say Eddie Jordan flew to Japan in a panic to meet with Honda engineers and reps for assurances the reliability issues with the fragile lightweight engines would be resolved. Sounds like an expensive, painstaking problem to have. They may even have to go as far as to have the current cars retrofitted for last year's engines if things don't get better. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif

I'm like the guy who said he keeps watching the races hoping for a good result for Honda, which seems only possible if the front runners and even some of the mid-pack teams fall out.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (330R)
 

How is it an advantage? And where did u get that info anyways? Angles on F1 engines are usually secret for years b4 they let the public know...

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (jimbob)
 

It's what the article I read in F1 Magazine (or whatever it was called, some English publication I read at Barnes & Noble last night). The advantage is, it lowers the car's center of gravity.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (KJR)
 

what ever dude, i dont really give a rats ass. Someone asks me about F1 i say i hate it so i dont know about it, just certain facts about how much it sucks.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

Wow - all this aggression against a sport you cannot even see is the US unless you try hard. Were you beaten up by an F1 driver when you were a kid?

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

I can see why some people don't like F1. Yes the rules changes are somewhat arbitrary at times and I think the competition would be better if they went with spec parts for some components of the car so teams could focus on engine and chassis development instead of having to worry about all of this wild shit like automatic trannies, 2 way telemetry, and traction control.

On the other hand NASCAR is a scripted four wheel circus. Its a great spectator sport but come on, you only get fined money and not position for cheating? The wing settings get changed from race to race to keep all of the cars together? Minimal penalties for deliberate and dangerous contact? Spare me. Then there's the whole continuous left hand turn thing.

I'm not saying there's a conspiracy to skew the results one way or another but there is definitely a conspiracy to have action (crashes) and aggressive driver behavior. Do you see drivers in any other series getting into fist fights for the camera? Do you see people hitting each other in the pits? No.

I won't doubt that NASCAR drivers are skilled because obviously they are. But I find it hard for anyone to extoll its virtues over F1. F1 aint perfect, some of the drivers are bitches, but no more so than some of the dumb redneck NASCAR drivers.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (jimbob)
 

Well what I'm saying is about JV is what about every F1 publication has put out that David Richards team princepal of BAR said if JV doesn't do better he could be getting on thin ice. Main reasons because he always makes excuses Panis never complains as much as JV and I think thats probably getting on DR nerves.

Actually things like engine degrees or new technology is let known to the public when the brand new cars come out. But they won't tell you exactly what they do or how much better they are but they always give general ideas of specs of the engines. These days it more of aero packages that tend to give alot teams advantages but these tend to be found out in first 4-5 races what they are.

Honda could get to the front if all the front guys from Ferrari, McLaren and Williams wreck and Sauber and Renault and Toyota has problems. Which if you think that doesn't leave much of rest of the field except Jag and Arrows and Minardi and everyone is front of Minardi as they have the lowest tech F1 chassis out there. Though Arrows only has 50million dallor budget which is smaller then Minardi's but there cars using the same Cosworth DF engines are still faster then the Jags only differences is chassis's and drivers. But hell I can see why there doing no testing now with only 50 million to play with after building 4 chassis and buying 4 engines and paying personel and drivers theres not much left. There Orange sponsour is godsend for them to keep going.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (norice)
 

lets just say i had a run in with Michael Sucmacher when I visited Monte Carlo sometime ago. Tell the guy you think he is a great driver he basically tells me to fuck off. I was 19 at the time man. I loved watching that son of a bitch drive his fuckin car around. Then when I get the chance to say so, he tells me to fuck off in so many words. The only "cool" F1 driver is Villnuve. Why? because he out drove Schummacher one time and all Schumacher did was bitch and say that passing on the outside it a dangerous move and Villnuve should be disqualified. The guy got beat and he trid to get the action DQed. That and my run in with him have made me see that F1 sucks and the Schummacher is a whiny hoighty toughty little bitch!!!!

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (JMU R1)
 

You where doing ok until you said dumb rednecks. Why stereotype Nascar drivers not all of them are the same. If some F1 drivers are bitches then sure enough there Nascar drivers that are bitches as well...end of story.

I'm sure when FIA goes to the one engine rules like Nascar in 04' then there will be alot more lead changes due to engine failures which can happen in certain climates because you can not always test for everytype weather the car may see except what you believe the weather maybe in.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Racer-X)
 

JV is a bit arrogant sometimes. He's a good driver, but he does seem complain too much. Honda really needs a breakthrough. It's sad seeing a company like that not do well. Toyota has never been in F1 and on the first try, they've done pretty well I must say.

Thanks... I didn't know they are public knowledge. I'd read an article about it a long time ago about the angles being very top secret in F1 racing. Not sure if it was misinformation or just outdated info.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (Racer-X)
 

On second thought dumb rednecks is in fact an unfair stereotype. But yes, some of the F1 drivers are bitches. R. Schumacher whines too much, JPM talks too much trash, and M. Schumacher is a prima donna. I'm sure some of the other drivers are not so cool too but since they don't win we don't get to hear some of their foolishness.

ADDEND: I was not suggesting all NASCAR drivers are fools either, if all of the drivers were fools NASCAR would not last long.


[Modified by JMU R1, 11:22 PM 3/31/2002]

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (JMU R1)
 

Wow what great conversation about F1. As usual after a F1 race I have cooled down a little and am naively hopeful that Honda will at least earn points at the next race. Come to find out Panis had gearbox problems, JV had ECM issues and Fisi had a traction control malfunction and some type of engine gremlin. So who knows what is next? Can only hope for the best. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmile.gif

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (HONDAF1)
 

now here is my point. Yes technology is great, but all of those problems can be avoided. Use an actual clutch and you eliminate a lot of potential gearbox probs, use a reliable and tested engine vs the brand new run for 20 minutes in perfect conditions motor you eliminate cpu probs, make it so the motors arent so damn powerful and you dont need traction control.

F1 tries to make itself so super tech that even some of the best builders in the world cant make a setup to compete!!! These guys are some of the best no doubt, but come on!! They cant use a reliable motor because it isnt fast enough. yet if they try out there new motor, they run the risk or blowing it up. So they are stuck between a rock and a hard palce just to compete. How is that entertaining? to me it isnt. If F1 would make a standard for a set # years and then let the teams develop the same motor and make it more reliable then the sport MIGHT be more entertaining. Then by the last year, all the engines are evenly matched up and you have a super competative season rather then a new prototype engine every race or 2.. ohhh so special. Id rather watch something slow and more reliable to produce a better show than the so called pinnicle of technology as my friend says. I say might because the drivers are still punks. They need to come off their high horses too.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 team suck! (HONDAF1)
 

It is rumored that Ferrari spends in excess of 300 million http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif including their wind-tunnel which is also rumored to operate 365 days a year http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (KJR)
 

Eh? i never knew there was a NSR750 (I STRONGLY DOUBT IT)
Isnt it the NSR500?

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck (B-DIDDYR2K)
 

I would guess that most F1 fans follow F1 closer than most other rece fans follow their favorite series. It isn't just about the cars going around the track, it's about all of the development, technology, strategy, testing, personalities, history, etc. Most F1 fans are very knowledgeable about their sport and enjoy following developments off the track too. And the technology is amazing. Those cars are more sophisticated than most of the fighter planes in the USAF.

Yes, sometimes Schuey can be a little stuck up, but maybe that's what 30M a year will do to you. He isn't the first "athelete" who is good, and knows he's good. Most of the drivers are pretty cool, though.

And no, F1 does not rely on the US for its income. US dollars spent on the sport are insignificant compared to the rest of the world.

Re: OT: Honda Formula 1 teams suck! (HONDAF1)
 

Honda should spend their money on the consumer products that they're putting out, because they're not gonna win F1 this season with Sato messing up in every race.