i'm getting the Spoon Sw388s and i was wondering about the offsets.

The two 16 inchers i'm looking at are 16x7, except one is 35mm offset and the other is 45mm. I'm going to put 215s on them, so i was wondering what the best choice would be?

what are the advantages in terms of brake upgrades and looks possibly?

 

The 45mm offset wheels are almost certainly the better choice for an Integra.

 

yes... +45 is better... i have the 15" +42 and they are REALLY CLOSE to the brake caliper... and i cant fit the spoon calipers w/o a spacer...

 

+45 means the wheels are closer to the caliper than +42, so I don't get why you'd recommend +45 since your +42 barely works.

 

I don't think off set has much to do with brake caliper clearence. If it's 45mm compared to 42mm that just means it's 3mm closer to the car it doesn't go away from your caliper. you still bolt the wheel up the same way. caliper clearence doesn't have much to do. hell if its 0mm it'll still be smack up agaisnt the caliper you'll just have a deep dish like crazy. picture cutting the where the 5 spokes touch the rim. Now you have a circle and a star. Bolt the star part to the hub. same clearence. Now when you put the circle piece on measure from dead center how far towards the car it is and that's your backspacing. doesn't effect caliper clearence. I know this is probably the worst example in the world but i try my best.

later.


[Modified by Mr Milano, 2:57 PM 9/28/2002]

 

Here is a quick explanation of what an offset really is http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/offset.htm. Also, and as MikeD said, a +45mm offset is closer to the cars suspension than +42mm.


[Modified by KANJI, 1:20 PM 9/28/2002]

 

i guess i'll go with the 45's, thanks for the help

 

Anytime. What tires ya gettin'?

 

i don't know as of now, but i was looking at some 215/40 yokohama A520's

i guess i could probably use some suggestions on tires too...

 

215/40s? You know that's not the best plus one size right? That's near a 3% speed error I believe. 205/45-16 is the proper +1 size, plus it will give your new rims more protection.

 

yeah i realized that, but with the 215/40s theres less diameter, meaning shorter gearing and better acceleration...

i've been comtimplating whether or not to go with that though

 

For my dollar I'd go for Yoko parada spec2s at around $90 each, or Kumho ecsta supra 712s for $80ish each. I'd definately get the 205/45-16s as well, but that's just me. Of the 2 I think I'd pay the premium for the Yokos.

 

I would not introduce a 3% speed error. That's too much. I could live with 1-2%. The difference in acceleration will not be noticable. The difference in which tire will break a belt or allow your wheel to get smashed may well be noticable. That's only a difference of 6mm of sidewall or so...but it's already a pretty low profile tire.

 

ehh...those are debatable.

junk....unless you like riding on tires made of cement instead of rubber.

I would go 215/45/16. My pick are the Falcon Azenis @ $97 a piece for this size. The parada spec 2's are suppose to be much grippier then the originals but i wasn't real impressed, of course i also tested them in 215/35/18 . I hate the Kumho's. Everyone says oh they are good for the money. No there are tons of tires out there that softer and stickier for same if not cheaper. Good luck man.


[Modified by Mr Milano, 11:40 AM 9/29/2002]

 

Oh BS. It's gettin' really old seeing everybody bash on the Kumhos. They're one of the best VALUES EVER in a street tire. Best tire ever...nope, but if you're looking for a tire under $100 that does everything competently then this **IS** a fine choice. Don't let all these people that call them total crap influence you, I bet most of these clowns have never even tried them. Total crap is the stock Michelins, those are a total insult to the cars they're on. Here's a link to tire rack's survey page...notice how the ES712s are ranked 7th...and gosh that's with 9.1 million miles surveyed...more miles than any other tire in the top ten. Performance opinions are momentum based...everybody loves on a product and they can do no wrong. When general opinion starts swaying it turns into a landslide and suddenly the very same tire most were praising is denounced as "cement". Make up your own mind, don't let these mindless androids do it for you.

Whew...sorry for the rant.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/uhp.jsp

 

Yes there are alot of bashing. And you know what, you are probably right, most of those people haven't tried them out, but guess who has...ME! I have tried them in sizes 225/40/18, 195/55/15, 195/50/15 and 205/50/15. In the rain not to bad. Like I said before "I" meaning me, not anyone else here, think they are hard as a rock. I don't know if I've had a tire make so much noise, I mean you push these things the slighest and they scream for mersey. Stock Michelins on SI's are junk too. You want a good tire for the money get some P700Z or P7000's. I love those tires. The Azenis are an amazing tire for the money. Super sticky. Maybe you should try something else. If all you've comapred them to is the stock michelins live a little. This is my opinion as stated before and that is what was asked in the post, for opinions on tires. Which hey that's what this is.

 

I'm an alignment tech. I've lived with a tire or two in my days.

Not to be nit-picky or anything, but if you didn't like them...why in the world did you try them in FOUR different sizes? I mean if the compound is the same...the size won't make a whole lotta diff. As to the squealing, mine make 0 noise. Perhaps you need to visit an alignment tech. If you dropped your car and left all that negative camber on there, combined with toe in, any tire behaving properly will squeal like a stuck pig. What did you put the pressure at BTW? I never hear a peep out of mine, even if I intentionally light the tires.

Sorry to jump on you, but saying they're like "cement" is just such a huge leap. That's as bad as if I said the stock Michelins were good anything more than just driving to the nearest tire shop to get some real tires.

 

The 225/40/18's i had were on a previous car, the car i have now came with 195/50/15's. I've also driven other cars with the other sizes mentioned. All tire pressures were around 36psi average. My car sits right now with 1.4 negative camber up front, 1.2 negative in the rear, front toe is 1/16" out, rear toe is zero and caster is set to factory specs as my car is also corner weighted. If you like the kumho's wonderful. Are you the only person here who knows about tires? Are you the only opinion that matters when this person is asking for opinions on what tires to get? Just giving my input which i think is valid enough. By the way the cement comment was a joke. Lighten up. They are damn hard tires though.

P.S. I also use to have Falken Ziex 502 and I hated them. I know have Falken Azenis and I think they are my new favorite tires.


[Modified by Mr Milano, 2:18 PM 9/29/2002]

 

No I'm not the only person here with an informed opinion. That's precisely why I suggested he look at a tire survey. Most people that feel like taking the time on a tire survey will be reasonably truthful, and when you're taling a few hundred people you get a consensus. You'll also get a variety of different people from all different professions and stages of life.

Why all the - camber. You're toed out? With angles like that, you'll be getting allot of experience with different tires. The Azenis seems to be a decent tire, I've not tried them myself, but you have to not mind replacing them often. I'd just assume buy tires every other season or less and spend more elsewhere.

 

That's how my camber is set. I would like to have about a degree in the front and between 0 and > a degree in the rear, but i'm dealing right now. I have the toe out right now, and it bites pretty well. I'm satisfied with how the car is set up right now. Tire wear is even so I'm not worried with the camber enough to correct it more. Anyways, I've given my opinion on this thread about a couple million times so everyone knows it and I leave it and that and stop taking up space. To the person that started this post, enjoy the wheels man and good luck in making a good choice on tires.
Later.


[Modified by Mr Milano, 3:31 PM 9/29/2002]