Flux

For those that know more about the JDM scene than I do: Is there a fairly large rivalry beween Spoon and Mugen on and off the track?

Cosworth

Not really - Mugen really spends more time on F1, F3, etc. Spoon does more of fixing up road-racing production cars. However, that could change as Beams racing is all Mugen parts (it seems) and I'm sure Spoon will want to gun for it.

eg6ajk

not really, mugen parts are mostly either very specialized race parts or higher then oem quality, streetable (always Jasma, VIA, TUV approved) parts

Spoon on the other hand is sort off like a boy-racer style, smaller but specializes in race derived parts from actullay racing in N1, JGTCC, Gymkhana therefore some less streetable but more aimed at actual vehicle....

IntegraT

If they were Mugen would need to grab a Spoon and tast defeat. Sorry for the bad joke...Seriously though for what we do Spoon products outperform Mugen almost hands down. Don't get me wrong Mugen makes some BAD A$$ Stuff, like a 700$ honda tool kit with the Mugen logo on each piece, and they're exhaust is cool but it doesn't do TOO much. Spoon is just Tripple throwdown hard core.

EPGONZALEZ

actually id like to see that..would make for a good pay per view..spoon vs. mugen
put there civics, integras, and s2000s in a 5 lap race...it would do better than that wwf stuff...wheres don king at..im sure he could hype this one up...
early vegas odds spoon 3 to 1

Flux

Is that really the perception of Spoon?

cheezemaster

Its not my perception of Spoon. I think of Spoon as some good ish. I think most of their parts are a little too much $$ for the average 'boy racer'.

Hooch'n

I love them both........I couldn't choose a side. I wouldn't feel right.

BDiddy

I like Mugen better than Spoon, but i still think the Spoon stuff is great. Some of the things I want and have on my car are from Spoon. My biggest beef with them is the logo. I mean a swan? A SWAN?? What kind of logo for a speed company is that?

Big Phat R

I don't think its a swan - it's probably a Japanese crane - which is a national symbol of Japan.

BDiddy

that makes more sense now, but i still think it looks like a swan. Crane it is though.

Big Phat R

I'm with you though - swans/cranes are too effeminate. A lightning bolt or something would have been better.

yoshi234

yes, it is a crane, but if you look at it again, it's also signifies a winding road

Big Phat R

Or the lower part of my colon!

eg6ajk

Flux: not really, just couldn't find a right word...but basically Mugen = glorfied oem parts and spoon = race derived parts

Big Phat R

Whoah...that's a load of crap. I detect a strong anti-mugen sentiment in that statement.

SpoonCivic

but the thing is, thats just for the parts available in North America. I heard Mugen's racing parts are pretty hardcore. if u got the cash, u could prolly get them; but they'd be way more then spoon parts.

Ti Header? Catback? Mugen Cam? etc..

Hooch'n

Remember that Mugen is running in the 24 hours of LeMans next year. If that isn't Race Proven or Race Proven Parts...............What is?

bb6h22a

Mugen was founded as a works tuning company for Honda, hence the use of Mugen motors in Formula 1. However recently, Mugen has withdrawn from F1 competetion to focus on other programs w/ in the company. Also, TODA and Mugen have in the past and now worked together on F3 and F3000 programs, and TODA has actually developed and maintained Mugen F3 motors. Spoon, is a VERY respected tuner, however, they do not have/had a direct works obligation to Honda like Mugen has, but they have had factory support and colaboration. However, Spoon and Honda collaborate and exchange information and parts openly. For example Spoon Cams are made from CTR billet cams. All Spoon goods are essentially OEM pieces improved upon by Spoon. One interesting side note, Spoon gets its name from the Spoon curve found on the Suzuka circuit in Japan!



[Modified by bb6h22a, 11:28 AM 8/31/2001]

R1020

bb6h22a, saw your sig . . . are you a mogwai fan? i love mogwai...

bb6h22a

.. I "borrowed" my sig from Mogwai. Good eye..

Flux

Great info. thanks!
I always wondered where they go the name Spoon. And by the way, I like the Spoon crane logo...

rockwilda

do they sell those crane stickers to the public?

spoonek4

REALLY REALLY love to see a friendly race compare between Mugen, SPOON, FEEL's Twin Cam, M&M, etc...

BDiddy

its all gonna depend on your race stats. Street, im going with Spoon, upper echelon racing, Im going with Mugen. It all depends on the aplication of the parts and car.