ok, can some of you techs help me out. after my track event, i've decided to leave my engine stock for now. modifications i was thinking about are for handling and braking. my car as of now has a header, test pipe, and intake. i ordered calipers and suspensions. my next step is ordering clutch and flywheel, what other mods would help me out on the track, besides more experience, and building the engine?

 

Brake Fluid: Motul 600 is the popular choice

Brake Lines: SS lines - Goodridge, there are others

Brake Pads: Wide selection of choices and open for debate, depends on what other uses your car has..

 

Close-mission! (Close gears)

 

also if u run stock engine, Mugen ECU will be the best. But be carful, don't rev too high since u don't have valve spring.

 

thx vtec sports... oh yeh one more thing, after the track event... my brake pedal... it's extremely mushy... how can i fix that?

 

That is your fluid. Were you running stock brake fluid? You may have boiled it...

 

yup, like Flux said, u should charge SS brake line then u may use DOT5 brake fluid. and i think AP locked has the best brake fluid.

 

Goodridge SS brake lines
ATE Super Blue brake fluid
Carbotech Panther+ brake pads
ATS 4.929 FD
Falken Azenis tyres

 

ok... that's good... i have one thing on the list...
falken azenis tires...
need the ss brake lines, fluid, and FD...
also what's carbotech panther?

 

you could always strip the interior

it helps handling and braking





[Modified by SOMEguyFROMoregon, 7:56 PM 12/16/2001]

 

sorry what I wrote is kind of misleading
"Carbotech Panther Plus brake pads"

 

thanks all... guess i'll be ready for the next event... if i order some ss lines, tons of brake fluid... and just hope my calipers and suspensions get here...

 

what calipers and suspension did you get????
just curious

 

spoon 4 pot from mike... was thinking of the endless mini compact 4 pot ones before... but oh well... already ordered the spoon's...
and jic flt-a2 from my friend...
what type of SS lines should i get? don't know much about them? are they're difference in different brands? or they all the same? and are there different models?


[Modified by G CHAN, 8:11 PM 12/16/2001]

 

just get Goodridge SS lines

 

no model name? just goodridge ss lines? for the integra right? or they fit all cars?

 

I would recommend the following:

- Motul RBF (racing brake fluid)
- Porterfield R4 pads
- stainless steel lines

and THATS IT. Keep the stock calipers, they work great. I ran my first track event with my stock R and had the same results - mushy pedal and cooked pads. I switched to Motul fluid, SS lines and Porterfield pads and never had the problem again.

I currently run Motul RBF, SS lines, and Hawk HT8 front and Blue rear pads -- stock calipers and rotors. I have yet to have any brake problems since using this setup. However my R is a trailer queen, so I don't put it through the rigors of street driving.

As for the suspension, get use to driving the car at the limit before completely changing its handling characteristics. There is no modification that can improve your track driving ability like actually driving on the track.





[Modified by Andrew, 10:37 PM 12/16/2001]

 

G Chan

if you are seriously into tracking your itr, here's what i suggest to do in stages:

stage 1: occasional track use (must do)
- high temp brake fluid (and learn how to bleed ur brakes)
- dual purpose brake pads like hawk hp+ (use same type as 97-01 prelude)
- accurate tire guage and electric tire pump
- overfill oil by 1/4 litre past full (on the track)
- add redline water wetter to ur rad
- more track time

stage 2: hooked by now
- remove brake dust shields (and add brake ducts)
- get 4 add'n rims (or use ur stockers) and dot race tires (toyo ra1 last a long time; stay with 15" for better selection)

stage 3: ur itr is now the limiting factor in lap times and can pass 75% of the other cars (and want to spend more money)
- camber kit to add negative camber (skunk2, ingalls, etc)
- rear sway bar (mugen 26mm, ground-control 25mm or skunk 24mm)
- suspension (shocks, springs, etc)
- seat with more grip
- smaller and gripper steering wheel
- a lap timer like hot lap
- baffled oil pan
- set of dedicated brake pads (eg. hawk blues) and rotors for track use only
- ask questions in the competition area of H-T

stage 4: i wanna race
- roll bar or cage
- race seat and harness
- a big tach with shift light
- stainless steel brake lines
- increase ur rev limiter to 9000-9200rpm (less shifting)
- another set of rims and race tires
- remove all dead weight (rear wiper, rear seat esp. that silly rear carpet, radio, antenna, bumper re-inforcements, etc.)

you notice that engine mods are not high on the priority list for track use. you will be very surprised at how well a stock itr engine will do on the track, especially on tight tracks.

ask roadracer, itrracer, rr98itr or others in the competition forum how well their teg's do in solo 1, racing or lapping events with near stock engines.



[Modified by trackie, 2:16 AM 12/17/2001]

 

Make sure to get yourself a nice harness. I have a Schroth Ralleye 3 harness. It mounts to your rear seat belt top bolts. Works like a charm.

 

ok thanks andrew... i already ordered the calipers... so too late... and suspensions... too late for that too... so mind as well use them then let them sit there when they get here...

 

wow trackie... thanks... have to save the info you wrote... thanks for your time and advice...

yep i realize how good the cars were... at first i was taking it slow learning the track... and had so many cars past me... then after 10 laps or so i managed to pass cars... wooohooo... and realised this car is well... very good... even though on the long straight in laguna seca many cars are faster than me... i was able to keep up with an nsx in the turns... at least he didn't loose me... but as for the king motorsports s2000... damn that thing lost me within 3 turns...

 

Since you have Spoon calipers so rotors upgrade is not necessary.You also dont need too aggressive pads cuz the Spoon calipers will last them both.

SS brakelines will be needed if you ateend track event often. Other components like Close gear ratios , LSD or bigger swaybars will be highly suggested.

 

what do u mean by spoon calipers will last them both?
sorta lost on that comment...
but thanks for your advice...

 

well if you already ordered these parts and what not, try getting a few more lapping sessions down before you slap on the aftermarket stuff. Just to get a better feel for the car and be more comfortable with taking the R to its limits.

 

I have Spoon calipers with Endless CCX pads and Endless Rotors for 1.5yrs already. I have been through 3-5 track events and my pads still have 70-80% left.
Never have heating problems.

I wanted to replace the pads and try some other categories pads from Endless but I still didn't get a chance. I hope I will drive harder next year to wear them down