fullsize c&r radiator cool too well?
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fullsize c&r radiator cool too well?
my oem radiator cracked and i need to replace it, i have decided on a c&r with spal fan.
i have a civic and i have the option of the fullsize(integra length) or stock size, the difference is only 20$, they are both dualcore... my concern is that if i get the fullsize my engine will not heat up to operating temp, i have a b18c5.
does anyone have an opinion or experience with this? thanks.
i have a civic and i have the option of the fullsize(integra length) or stock size, the difference is only 20$, they are both dualcore... my concern is that if i get the fullsize my engine will not heat up to operating temp, i have a b18c5.
does anyone have an opinion or experience with this? thanks.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (euclid)
Hmm. Unfortunately, I don't have an experience with these radiators. I think you should be ok. I've heard great things about C&R and others (Fluidyne, Koyo).. Hopefully someone can give you a better answer..
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (euclid)
It will just only take longer for the engine to reach full operating temperature.
Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (type r 01-1063)
my thinking is there will be a much larger coolant capacity and so much cooling potential that it will never fully reach operating temp.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (euclid)
As long as you have a thermostat in there it will reach operating temp however I doubt the thermostat will ever reach full open maybe just 50-70% of full open but great leaves you plenty of headroom for track duty. By the way what's the pricing for the C/R radiators in comparo to say fluidyne.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (euclid)
C&R DC2 Realtime Spec w/ built in oil cooler 4 row rad barely fits my EK. No such thing for a radiator to cool too well.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (integratom)
i'm not sure the exact pricing on the fluidyn but i am 90% sure it is around $350 for the full size, it is single core and doesn't come with a fan.
the c&r is $365 for the half sized daul core(oem civic sized) and it comes with a spal fan, the full size(integra size, civic appliation) is $385. and the true integra application radiator and fan combo is $400. a more realistic contender for the c&r(quality wise) is the pwr which is $295, daul core, oem civic sized, no fan.
so assuming the engine runs cooler all the time, below normal operating temp, will it cause cause damage or will it be better? i thought you are not susposed to run the engine hard untill it has fully heated up, my car will be seeing the track often. thanks for the help
edit: holy **** supertwinz, that's a beast. how much does it weigh?
the c&r is $365 for the half sized daul core(oem civic sized) and it comes with a spal fan, the full size(integra size, civic appliation) is $385. and the true integra application radiator and fan combo is $400. a more realistic contender for the c&r(quality wise) is the pwr which is $295, daul core, oem civic sized, no fan.
so assuming the engine runs cooler all the time, below normal operating temp, will it cause cause damage or will it be better? i thought you are not susposed to run the engine hard untill it has fully heated up, my car will be seeing the track often. thanks for the help
edit: holy **** supertwinz, that's a beast. how much does it weigh?
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (euclid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by euclid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so assuming the engine runs cooler all the time, below normal operating temp, will it cause cause damage or will it be better? i thought you are not susposed to run the engine hard untill it has fully heated up, my car will be seeing the track often. thanks for the help
edit: holy **** supertwinz, that's a beast. how much does it weigh?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'll be running cooler than stock, but you'll still reach a safe operating temperature regardless.
so assuming the engine runs cooler all the time, below normal operating temp, will it cause cause damage or will it be better? i thought you are not susposed to run the engine hard untill it has fully heated up, my car will be seeing the track often. thanks for the help
edit: holy **** supertwinz, that's a beast. how much does it weigh?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'll be running cooler than stock, but you'll still reach a safe operating temperature regardless.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (euclid)
yah man. C&R is some top notch stuff. i really can't compare it to stock or anything cuz i started out with it on my new motor. but my temps dont go near halfway. and i got a built 2.0L.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (Supertwinz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Supertwinz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">C&R DC2 Realtime Spec w/ built in oil cooler 4 row rad barely fits my EK. No such thing for a radiator to cool too well.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (SlapSmak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlapSmak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">running your engine cooler only prolongs life and gives you performance. there are no negatives.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not so sure - the factory designed the car to operate at a certain temperature range, and running cooler may hurt that.
I'm not so sure - the factory designed the car to operate at a certain temperature range, and running cooler may hurt that.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (.RJ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm not so sure - the factory designed the car to operate at a certain temperature range, and running cooler may hurt that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not sure I understand how that would harm a motor. But now I'm curious
I'm not so sure - the factory designed the car to operate at a certain temperature range, and running cooler may hurt that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not sure I understand how that would harm a motor. But now I'm curious
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (.RJ)
You can run too cool. My Civic has that problem when running at "high" speed (80+ kmh) as the engine bay's very well ventilated causing the engine temperature to drop to startup levels.
This happened to me the other night while doing a few 0-100 timed runs. Started out at normal operating temp, and eventually had to stop after 4 runs (2 good / 2 botched) because the motor was running too cold. ie - poor idle, no longer free-revving or pulling above 5000rpm.
This happened to me the other night while doing a few 0-100 timed runs. Started out at normal operating temp, and eventually had to stop after 4 runs (2 good / 2 botched) because the motor was running too cold. ie - poor idle, no longer free-revving or pulling above 5000rpm.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can run too cool. My Civic has that problem when running at "high" speed (80+ kmh) as the engine bay's very well ventilated causing the engine temperature to drop to startup levels.
This happened to me the other night while doing a few 0-100 timed runs. Started out at normal operating temp, and eventually had to stop after 4 runs (2 good / 2 botched) because the motor was running too cold. ie - poor idle, no longer free-revving or pulling above 5000rpm.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep. Have experienced this with a turbo supra as well. Switched to a clutch fan instead of electric fans to fix it.
I've actually read a docuemnt/aritcle somewhere before regarding this but I can't remember where.
Dunno if the C&R will be that efficient since I don't have one, but there IS such as thing as too much engine cooling.
This happened to me the other night while doing a few 0-100 timed runs. Started out at normal operating temp, and eventually had to stop after 4 runs (2 good / 2 botched) because the motor was running too cold. ie - poor idle, no longer free-revving or pulling above 5000rpm.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep. Have experienced this with a turbo supra as well. Switched to a clutch fan instead of electric fans to fix it.
I've actually read a docuemnt/aritcle somewhere before regarding this but I can't remember where.
Dunno if the C&R will be that efficient since I don't have one, but there IS such as thing as too much engine cooling.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (baonest)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baonest »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where do you do 0-100 timed runs. hopefully not on public roads.
(thats like 0-60mph right) but still, not on public roads.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol yeah 0-60 is just CRAZY fast and dangerous.
(thats like 0-60mph right) but still, not on public roads.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol yeah 0-60 is just CRAZY fast and dangerous.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (FizzleDaKlown)
haha. i had to think about that. i fergot he is in kmh. reminds me of days of thunder.
i use to do top fuel burnouts and speed runs in my HS parking lot, till one day one of the teachers told me 'this isnt atlanta motor speedway. "
i use to do top fuel burnouts and speed runs in my HS parking lot, till one day one of the teachers told me 'this isnt atlanta motor speedway. "
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (FizzleDaKlown)
Yep. That's a whole 0-62 mph in 9.2x seconds with 3 shifts. Slow but fun. I did this on a well lit and empty public road at night.
I just stated this as an example of how you can have too much cooling. Even if you were on a track, you'd still have problems due to the increased rate of cooling. The only time I've run ok with the Civic was during summer.
I just stated this as an example of how you can have too much cooling. Even if you were on a track, you'd still have problems due to the increased rate of cooling. The only time I've run ok with the Civic was during summer.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (SlapSmak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlapSmak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">running your engine cooler only prolongs life and gives you performance. there are no negatives.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I dont know about that comment...care to explain why? becaue actually if your motor is not wrmed up to a nominal operating temp, ie. too cool, you can cause premature wear and tear on the motor and its supporting components.
I dont know about that comment...care to explain why? becaue actually if your motor is not wrmed up to a nominal operating temp, ie. too cool, you can cause premature wear and tear on the motor and its supporting components.
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Re: fullsize c&r radiator cool too well? (baonest)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baonest »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn. 0-62 in 9.XX haha. well damn. do it all you want. lol. was that in the '77 civic</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd be ashamed of anyone who'd do that sort of time in an ITR . The Integra gets taken to the track for this stuff where it's more appropriate.
I'd be ashamed of anyone who'd do that sort of time in an ITR . The Integra gets taken to the track for this stuff where it's more appropriate.