this thread has officially made me 50x more dumb

a 250whp LS-T will hardly have any lag at all and i guarantee you if the turbo is properly sized it will make more power across the entire rpm range as opposed to an n/a b18

and i read some people saying something about how this much whp in a n/a car will run just as fast as this much whp in a turbo car?? wtf are you people on? whp is whp no matter how you make it...200whp n/a isnt any more than 200whp boosting

vtec and turbo are two completely different things...dont compare them

and i think it was ABCVTEC that said most of the honda n/a motors shut off at 8500 tops? yea if they arent that heavily modded...otherwise the people with high compression and some aggressive cams are revving up there

now i wait for the next comment

 

you will see very few b series making power above 9k unless it's a drag engine

 

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wtf are you people on? whp is whp no matter how you make it...200whp n/a isnt any more than 200whp boosting


now i wait for the next comment</TD></TR></TABLE>

my comment is this.

making 200whp n/a will take out a 200whp turbo car....THAT'S IT!!!!

c'mon do you have enough experience in saying that 200whp n/a isnt anymore than a 200whp boosted?....have you ever built a motor to come up with that?...you obviously have never seen a 245whp n/a motor smoking 350whp boosted b series?

n/a 200whp b16 vs. 200whp itr motor boosted on same chassis.....my money is on the b16.....

 

If the driver of the NA honda car has a brain he will stop increasing RPMs when his powerband begins to fall, this is usually around 8,500 in most decently built motors. Most of the stock motors powerbands starts to decrease around 7,600, how you can tell me a well built motor is going to keep increasing power after 9K RPMs?

Unless your motor is spoon built, I really doubt you're still INCREASING power after 8,500. What's the point of increasing RPMs if you are starting to lose power? Unless you really get off on hearing your exhaust get louder and putting unnecessary wear and tear on your motor! MADTIGHTYO!

Just because your motor redlines at 9,200 it doesn't mean you want to rev it that high before every shift. But I suppose you are just being the typical person on this forum. You're an idiot, no offense.

 

do you not see the 230whp+ B series n/a cars??? are they staying below 8500rpm?? i think not so STFU

all those 200whp n/a cars arent even that highly modded so no **** theres no need for that high of revving

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iVteC_PoWeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you not see the 230whp+ B series n/a cars??? are they staying below 8500rpm?? i think not so STFU

all those 200whp n/a cars arent even that highly modded so no **** theres no need for that high of revving</TD></TR></TABLE>

back for more ay?

breakin in to the 200 n/a is costly and FULLY BUILT

a fully built k20 can make 280whp at close to 9k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iVteC_PoWeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you not see the 230whp+ B series n/a cars??? are they staying below 8500rpm?? i think not so STFU</TD></TR></TABLE>



2.1 liter stroker B20b/B16A
14.5:1+ compression










all making more than 230whp. none making power above 9k. so you stfu.

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that is such an ignorant statement. do you think making 200whp is easy?

 

did anywhere i say anything about motors revving past 9k?? the argument was staying below 8500rpm

and anyone who knows what theyre doing with a honda can make 200whp in a B series all motor...it isnt that hard...most people just wouldnt wanna put the money into it

 

this is what you said:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iVteC_PoWeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and i think it was ABCVTEC that said most of the honda n/a motors shut off at 8500 tops? yea if they arent that heavily modded...otherwise the people with high compression and some aggressive cams are revving up there</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is what ABCVTEC said:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the driver of the NA honda car has a brain he will stop increasing RPMs when his powerband begins to fall, this is usually around 8,500 in most decently built motors. Most of the stock motors powerbands starts to decrease around 7,600, how you can tell me a well built motor is going to keep increasing power after 9K RPMs?

Unless your motor is spoon built, I really doubt you're still INCREASING power after 8,500. What's the point of increasing RPMs if you are starting to lose power? Unless you really get off on hearing your exhaust get louder and putting unnecessary wear and tear on your motor! MADTIGHTYO!

Just because your motor redlines at 9,200 it doesn't mean you want to rev it that high before every shift. But I suppose you are just being the typical person on this forum. You're an idiot, no offense.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the fact of the matter is power is not made past 9k revving up there is useless. so you should shift where power falls off.

the only reason you should rev higher than where power falls off is so you land in the powerband after the shift or to avoid shifting before hitting a corner.

 

i already understand the concept of where to shift.

im saying there are plenty of honda motors that do make power past 9k...there arent that many that do but there are quite a few

 

and most are not in street cars and not attainable by the average honda enthusiast

 

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how is it impossible to hit 250 n/a?? my friend just did that in his civic coupe and he not done buildin it. turbos are for pussies just like getting car lengths when u race is for pussies that know they will loose otherwise. hp is hp but n/a shows people have ***** and dont just take the easy way out to build hp. thats my opinion

 

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how is it impossible to hit 250 n/a?? my friend just did that in his civic coupe and he not done buildin it. turbos are for pussies just like getting car lengths when u race is for pussies that know they will loose otherwise. hp is hp but n/a shows people have ***** and dont just take the easy way out to build hp. thats my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>

here we go again

 

Just close this thread. Every time we prove one idiot wrong, another comes in with the same damn opinion.

HP IS HP MAN, I LIVE MY LIFE ONE QUARTER OF A MILE AT A TIME. *flexes biceps*

sigh...

 

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turbos are for pussies just like getting car lengths when u race is for pussies that know they will loose otherwise. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That was a really inappropriate and ignorant statement.

Save those comments for GDD.

N/A Vs. Boost is a never ending debate.

I boosted my DC2 to be different from all the All Motor Jerry Built cars that I race with.

Nothing wrong with being different, is there?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ziggz501 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's easier heard on a DOHC engine, ei the civic SI or the integra. It kicks in at different times on every honda engine, but on the teg it starts at 4400 rpms and can be heard really well at around 5800+. it is easiest to hear vtec on an engine with an aftermarket intake. but yeah, it basically does the same thing as a turbo. it lets more air into the engine. more air and fuel = more pwr. it's what turns the 130 hp grocery getter type r into a 190 hp race car at the higher rpms. in most engines the power is in a curve, but in a honda it's pretty much a line upward i.e. the power doesn't curve, it keeps coming. i'll try to find u a video to show u how it works.</TD></TR></TABLE>

HAHAHAHAHA, just so you know, 5,800 is when your secondaries open... not vtec

 

there is an 8 or 9 second civic all motor hatch somewhere on youtube...im having trouble finding it though...but i promise its there...

oh and no point in comparing FI to NA its like comparing donuts to candybars

 

the only thing similar between VTEC and turbo is they both kick in at a predetermined point and both increse hp. can we just leave it at that?

 

If im looking at those pictures correctly... those 2 valves are intake right? and that 3rd spring on the picture is only to engage the Vtec solenoid?? I'm not sure if i'm looking at that correctly. However if that 3rd spring was constantly moving, wouldn't that make the car less efficient if you never use your vtec?

 

 

On a side note since this thread has gone to shat anyway, the figurative meaning of VTEC is:

Mad respect from your bOiZ since they will be screaming "OH SNAPZ SON!" when you rip VTEC by them, and also mad love from da LaYDiEZ when you blow their skirts up with the extra 50hp VTEC gives you.

 

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how is it impossible to hit 250 n/a?? my friend just did that in his civic coupe and he not done buildin it. turbos are for pussies just like getting car lengths when u race is for pussies that know they will loose otherwise. hp is hp but n/a shows people have ***** and dont just take the easy way out to build hp. thats my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>


ok so how is turboing a car for pussies, i garuntee you that i spent just as much building my motor for turbo then your buddy will for his NA and it dont matter how you get the power... the whole point of racing is to make your car faster then others whether you go turbo or NA.... and im not saying im against NA because i am currently building an NA motor in one car but in my other it fully built and boosted also boosting a car involves a lot more upkeep then NA and also has more things that can go wrong... so once again how is boosting for pussies???

 

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HAHAHAHAHA, just so you know, 5,800 is when your secondaries open... not vtec</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok... was there any point to this statement whatsoever... imho u just made a complete *** of yourself in front of everyone. so what ur saying is that vtec goes from 4400 on my gsr... till 5800... and then it stops right? cuz thats what it sounded like. ur the first person to make a smart *** remark on what i said, even though i'm trying to make a simplistic answer for someone that doesn't know much about the honda engine... i was trying to help... u... i dunno wtf ur purpose is, and dun really care, but next time, try a little harder to not make a complete *** of yourself on the forums just so u can prove someone wrong... and as far as i know, just an fyi, vtec is still active after 5800 rpms.
o, and also, that was sarcasm in the last sentence, so don't come replying with a "well duh! zomgwtf! o.@"
this thread needs to b closed, the guy got his info and then a bunch of ppl started coming in just talking about random **** that doesn't have any relative information for the OP...

 

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That was a really inappropriate and ignorant statement.

Save those comments for GDD.

N/A Vs. Boost is a never ending debate.

I boosted my DC2 to be different from all the All Motor Jerry Built cars that I race with.

Nothing wrong with being different, is there?

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No there is definitlt nothing wrong with being different i was just stating my opinion on it because around here everything is boosted its like a way of life. thats why im building mine N/A so when i comes time to battle they cant pull the "the only reason you won is because your boosted" card. i know every where is different and every one has a different opinion.

 

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ok... was there any point to this statement whatsoever... imho u just made a complete *** of yourself in front of everyone. so what ur saying is that vtec goes from 4400 on my gsr... till 5800... and then it stops right? cuz thats what it sounded like. ur the first person to make a smart *** remark on what i said, even though i'm trying to make a simplistic answer for someone that doesn't know much about the honda engine... i was trying to help... u... i dunno wtf ur purpose is, and dun really care, but next time, try a little harder to not make a complete *** of yourself on the forums just so u can prove someone wrong... and as far as i know, just an fyi, vtec is still active after 5800 rpms.
o, and also, that was sarcasm in the last sentence, so don't come replying with a "well duh! zomgwtf! o.@"
this thread needs to b closed, the guy got his info and then a bunch of ppl started coming in just talking about random **** that doesn't have any relative information for the OP...</TD></TR></TABLE>

whats hes trying to say is that the secondary butterflies open(IAB) which is why the tone of the motor changes around 5800rpm...hes NOT saying that vtec disengages at 5800

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how is it impossible to hit 250 n/a?? my friend just did that in his civic coupe and he not done buildin it. turbos are for pussies just like getting car lengths when u race is for pussies that know they will loose otherwise. hp is hp but n/a shows people have ***** and dont just take the easy way out to build hp. thats my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>

o please STFU turbo is for pussies?? an n/a honda IMO can only be fast on the track and not on the street...the fast n/a hondas arent streetable...if you want a lot of power on the street than turbo is the way to go...unless you only want to race other hondas the rest of your life