wut does vtec mean
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Originally Posted by Black99dc
i beg to differ with VLAAD, oh, and nothing is impossible, i've seen it done....a friend of mine is pushing right at or little more than 250whp with only around 5grand in the motor NATURALLY/ASPIRATED....i have ridin in it, its nasty....redlines around 11,000...from what i know it has 12.5:1+ compression....if you don't believe me then ask him yourself...
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Modified by Black99dc at 12:13 AM 6/1/2007
Originally Posted by ABCVTEC
My friends B20VTEC EF hatch made 225hp untuned, and I believe 243hp on the dyno after a tune. It was able to edge out Cobra Mustangs and sub-400 Civics/Integras from a roll. When it came to racing at the track, it beat out most FI cars up to 500hp.
And an LS isn't going to put out 250hp on low boost with a t3/t4. It's going to need to be running at least 14PSI. That's 110hp more than stock so it's going to take a bit more than low boost.
The way the story gone has always been like this. With NA, the power is always there. So while these FI cars are spinning through 3rd and 4th, the NA cars are hooking up and half way to the finish line. On the highway it's sometimes a different story, but thats street racing and street racing is gay.
Trust me, I have friends that live this everyday. One kid has a 650whp EG civic and my other friend has a BMW 328is with a medium sized turbo. The BMW constantly smokes the civic and the civic owner is always like "You know I'm faster than you so who cares." And my friend with the BMW always replies "Ya but its not my fault you don't hook up."
Of course it's a different story with the LS-T as you dont have to worry about spinning as its only 250hp, but you still have to wait for that snail to spool. IMO a 200whp NA car can definitely beat out a 250hp LS-T. Possibly even 190whp NA.
And don't get me wrong, I'm all about turboing a car. But I do give my respect to the NA people.
EDIT: And to the comment about reving to 9k to make power.. The only people that are reving to 9k in their NA setups are:-
A. People who have a really beefy setup and redline at 11,000
and
B. Idiot kids who ignore dynocharts and don't realize that their power band starts to drop at 7600 and rev to 9k just to be mad VTEK TIGHT CooL y0.
Modified by ABCVTEC at 12:30 AM 6/1/2007
And an LS isn't going to put out 250hp on low boost with a t3/t4. It's going to need to be running at least 14PSI. That's 110hp more than stock so it's going to take a bit more than low boost.
The way the story gone has always been like this. With NA, the power is always there. So while these FI cars are spinning through 3rd and 4th, the NA cars are hooking up and half way to the finish line. On the highway it's sometimes a different story, but thats street racing and street racing is gay.
Trust me, I have friends that live this everyday. One kid has a 650whp EG civic and my other friend has a BMW 328is with a medium sized turbo. The BMW constantly smokes the civic and the civic owner is always like "You know I'm faster than you so who cares." And my friend with the BMW always replies "Ya but its not my fault you don't hook up."
Of course it's a different story with the LS-T as you dont have to worry about spinning as its only 250hp, but you still have to wait for that snail to spool. IMO a 200whp NA car can definitely beat out a 250hp LS-T. Possibly even 190whp NA.
And don't get me wrong, I'm all about turboing a car. But I do give my respect to the NA people.
EDIT: And to the comment about reving to 9k to make power.. The only people that are reving to 9k in their NA setups are:-
A. People who have a really beefy setup and redline at 11,000
and
B. Idiot kids who ignore dynocharts and don't realize that their power band starts to drop at 7600 and rev to 9k just to be mad VTEK TIGHT CooL y0.
Modified by ABCVTEC at 12:30 AM 6/1/2007
first off, that's a b20; we're talking about b18's here. you're right, an ls won't put out 250 hp on low boost on a t3/t4, not sure why you even brought that up since i never mentioned anything about it. i'm not comparing 600 hp cars here, i'm just saying your average turbo kit will put out a lot more power than a stock gsr motor with cams. reread my posts.
if you have 2 exact same cars, with the exceptions being that one has 200 hp na and one has 250 hp fi, there's no way the 200 hp will be faster than the 250. 250 is a pretty low number for a turbo motor and won't take very long to spool up. as for the comment about revving to 9k rpm, in order to get good hp out of a na motor you have to get big cams, which usually require a higher redline to make the most power. you won't be making max power out of extreme cams at 8k, therefore, you'll need to rev higher to get their full potential. if your cams are mild enough that you keep the stock redline then chances are you won't stand a chance against a turbo'd car with the same motor.
Originally Posted by ABCVTEC
Another thing to take into consideration if you want to make good track times in a 4-cylinder NA car, you have to pick a light shell. Which is why most of the badass NA builds you will see in the NA forum are with CRX/EF/EG shells. It's going to be hard to squeeze out a lot of power in an Integra shell as they weigh a good 500-600lbs more, unless you're messing with a K24/K20 set up:-p (completely irrelevant).
Weight is why I support FI setups. Because I love driving an Integra, never really felt comfortable in a CRX or Civic. And with a turbo you can make decent power. But it's not to say I wouldn't be happy with a 210hp NA setup either.
Weight is why I support FI setups. Because I love driving an Integra, never really felt comfortable in a CRX or Civic. And with a turbo you can make decent power. But it's not to say I wouldn't be happy with a 210hp NA setup either.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (vladd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vladd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what're you smoking? turbo and vtec can't be compared. about the only thing they have in common is that they're both engine-related. a turbo spooling is nothing to like vtec crossing over; vtec doesn't take 2k rpm to crossover like a turbo does to spool up. vtec doesn't force air into the engine like a turbo does.
there is a red search link in the top right hand corner, all the info you could possibly want on this topic can be quickly found.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't say turbo and vtec are the same idiot, read my statement again.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> VTEC doesn't necessarily act like a turbo, it has a the similar concept and principal, but generate different powerbands of course. The transition of a turbo spooling, is similar to vtec engaging, both vtec and turbo engage at a certain rpm </TD></TR></TABLE>
Now read the bold letters where does it indicate that I said vtec crossesover at 2k rpm? show me and tell me!, do you know how to read and interpret words? do you even go to school? Did you read the words PRINCIPAL and CONCEPT ? how both have similar transitions, how both TURBO and VTEC ENGAGE AT A CERTAIN RPM!!!, I didnt say turbo spools at XXX RPM and VTEC engages at XXX RPM. Read before you bash someone else's post.
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what're you smoking? turbo and vtec can't be compared. about the only thing they have in common is that they're both engine-related. a turbo spooling is nothing to like vtec crossing over; vtec doesn't take 2k rpm to crossover like a turbo does to spool up. vtec doesn't force air into the engine like a turbo does.
there is a red search link in the top right hand corner, all the info you could possibly want on this topic can be quickly found.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't say turbo and vtec are the same idiot, read my statement again.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> VTEC doesn't necessarily act like a turbo, it has a the similar concept and principal, but generate different powerbands of course. The transition of a turbo spooling, is similar to vtec engaging, both vtec and turbo engage at a certain rpm </TD></TR></TABLE>
Now read the bold letters where does it indicate that I said vtec crossesover at 2k rpm? show me and tell me!, do you know how to read and interpret words? do you even go to school? Did you read the words PRINCIPAL and CONCEPT ? how both have similar transitions, how both TURBO and VTEC ENGAGE AT A CERTAIN RPM!!!, I didnt say turbo spools at XXX RPM and VTEC engages at XXX RPM. Read before you bash someone else's post.
SylvanReading you should sign up, so you can increase your knowledge of reading and comprehension.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (ABCVTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> IMO a 200whp NA car can definitely beat out a 250hp LS-T. Possibly even 190whp NA.
Modified by ABCVTEC at 12:30 AM 6/1/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
you are definitely right.. all depends on the driver.. my "190whp" smoked an LS turbo.. i was ripping thru gears too fast and hopped on him a car and i could hear that "pshhhhhhhhhh" behind me
Modified by ABCVTEC at 12:30 AM 6/1/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
you are definitely right.. all depends on the driver.. my "190whp" smoked an LS turbo.. i was ripping thru gears too fast and hopped on him a car and i could hear that "pshhhhhhhhhh" behind me
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Re: wut does vtec mean (DC2SiR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you are definitely right.. all depends on the driver.. my "190whp" smoked an LS turbo.. i was ripping thru gears too fast and hopped on him a car and i could hear that "pshhhhhhhhhh" behind me </TD></TR></TABLE>
Must have been a weak ls-t
you are definitely right.. all depends on the driver.. my "190whp" smoked an LS turbo.. i was ripping thru gears too fast and hopped on him a car and i could hear that "pshhhhhhhhhh" behind me
</TD></TR></TABLE>Must have been a weak ls-t
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Re: wut does vtec mean (DC2SiR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">still tho.. he had a shell under his hood and i dont 
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We cant all be perfect
just messin with you. All motor is cool and building motors is a blast. But i prefer low comp builds with high boost application in mind
</TD></TR></TABLE>We cant all be perfect
just messin with you. All motor is cool and building motors is a blast. But i prefer low comp builds with high boost application in mind
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Re: wut does vtec mean (vladd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vladd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
wow thanks for the fix, couldn't have done it without you. this topic has been debated about numerous times, feel free to search. how reliable are motors that rev to 9k just to make some power? if you're comparing a stock motor to a turbo'd one, then yeah the stock one will obviously be more reliable. however, if you're comparing an all-out built na motor to a turbo'd one, they're both pretty much equal as far as realibility goes, except that the turbo'd motor will put out more power for less money. a gsr with aftermarket cams has nothing on a turbo ls, even if it's a small turbo running low psi. an ls with a t3/t4 will easily hit 250 whp, which is impossible to hit na on a gsr motor, no matter what you do to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sorry you said that you never said that? I beg to differ. Which is why I'm quoting you.
Hmmmm
I also recommend you go to the NA forum and check out the dynocharts thread. Show me more than two motors that continue to increase power at 9k. Most of them shut off at 8500 tops. I'll even be so nice and LINK you to it.
wow thanks for the fix, couldn't have done it without you. this topic has been debated about numerous times, feel free to search. how reliable are motors that rev to 9k just to make some power? if you're comparing a stock motor to a turbo'd one, then yeah the stock one will obviously be more reliable. however, if you're comparing an all-out built na motor to a turbo'd one, they're both pretty much equal as far as realibility goes, except that the turbo'd motor will put out more power for less money. a gsr with aftermarket cams has nothing on a turbo ls, even if it's a small turbo running low psi. an ls with a t3/t4 will easily hit 250 whp, which is impossible to hit na on a gsr motor, no matter what you do to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sorry you said that you never said that? I beg to differ. Which is why I'm quoting you.
Hmmmm
I also recommend you go to the NA forum and check out the dynocharts thread. Show me more than two motors that continue to increase power at 9k. Most of them shut off at 8500 tops. I'll even be so nice and LINK you to it.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (ABCVTEC)
IMO i think vladd is the only one not making sense.
how can you possibly think a 250whp turbo LS will always outperform a 190-200whp all motor?....
get off the crack pipe. this thread has pretty much gone down the drain, you guys are comparing turbo cars and all motor and trying to determine which is faster
so your saying which ever has more hp is the fastest?....you have got to be kidding me.
and you were also saying that in order for a n/a to get the most hp is bigger cams and to redline at 9k?...you know that's not the only thing pushing that car, were talking boring sleeving, stroker kit, P&P. all of these and alooot more need to be taken care of to smoke a 250whp turbo car
and if your come back is "well your spending alot more money in n/a than turbo because an n/a well never be as fast as a turbo ls" than your a douche and need to leave this forum.
im all for the turbo and n/a just as ABCVTEC but when it comes to comparing the 2 and guessing which on will be faster is rice.
Modified by Championship at 10:29 AM 6/1/2007
how can you possibly think a 250whp turbo LS will always outperform a 190-200whp all motor?....
get off the crack pipe. this thread has pretty much gone down the drain, you guys are comparing turbo cars and all motor and trying to determine which is faster
so your saying which ever has more hp is the fastest?....you have got to be kidding me.
and you were also saying that in order for a n/a to get the most hp is bigger cams and to redline at 9k?...you know that's not the only thing pushing that car, were talking boring sleeving, stroker kit, P&P. all of these and alooot more need to be taken care of to smoke a 250whp turbo car
and if your come back is "well your spending alot more money in n/a than turbo because an n/a well never be as fast as a turbo ls" than your a douche and need to leave this forum.
im all for the turbo and n/a just as ABCVTEC but when it comes to comparing the 2 and guessing which on will be faster is rice.
Modified by Championship at 10:29 AM 6/1/2007
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Re: wut does vtec mean (Championship)
vladd, if you want to keep with your ranting and going nowhere, go post here.
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Re: (vladd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vladd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you do realize that power has nothing to do with weight, right? why exactly would it be hard to get a lot of power out of a heavy car? you have me totally lost.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you do know that weight to some people is EVERYTHING.
and you also know that for every 100lb taken off of the car, it shaves off .1 second off the quarter mile?
you do realize that power has nothing to do with weight, right? why exactly would it be hard to get a lot of power out of a heavy car? you have me totally lost.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you do know that weight to some people is EVERYTHING.
and you also know that for every 100lb taken off of the car, it shaves off .1 second off the quarter mile?
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Here's my Setup & Dyno
B18C1- Stock Block And Sleeve.
Stock Valve Train.
ITR Cams
Skunk2 IM
Turbonetics 60-1
Turbonetics EVO WG
OBX Ramhorn...I Know
OBX 3" DP
OBX Intercooler
Apex-i BOV
Jerry Built IC Piping
3" Piping & TP To 3" Magnaflow Muffler
Hondata S200B
Tuned By Bubba (Signal Hill)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you do know that weight to some people is EVERYTHING.
and you also know that for every 100lb taken off of the car, it shaves off .1 second off the quarter mile?</TD></TR></TABLE>
So True.
B18C1- Stock Block And Sleeve.
Stock Valve Train.
ITR Cams
Skunk2 IM
Turbonetics 60-1
Turbonetics EVO WG
OBX Ramhorn...I Know
OBX 3" DP
OBX Intercooler
Apex-i BOV
Jerry Built IC Piping
3" Piping & TP To 3" Magnaflow Muffler
Hondata S200B
Tuned By Bubba (Signal Hill)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you do know that weight to some people is EVERYTHING.
and you also know that for every 100lb taken off of the car, it shaves off .1 second off the quarter mile?</TD></TR></TABLE>
So True.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by juda7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's my Setup & Dyno
B18C1- Stock Block And Sleeve.
Stock Valve Train.
ITR Cams
Skunk2 IM
Turbonetics 60-1
Turbonetics EVO WG
OBX Ramhorn...I Know
OBX 3" DP
OBX Intercooler
Apex-i BOV
Jerry Built IC Piping
3" Piping & TP To 3" Magnaflow Muffler
Hondata S200B
Tuned By Bubba (Signal Hill)
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great set up
so how's bubba?....bubba>church?
im getting my all motor tuned by bubba
B18C1- Stock Block And Sleeve.
Stock Valve Train.
ITR Cams
Skunk2 IM
Turbonetics 60-1
Turbonetics EVO WG
OBX Ramhorn...I Know
OBX 3" DP
OBX Intercooler
Apex-i BOV
Jerry Built IC Piping
3" Piping & TP To 3" Magnaflow Muffler
Hondata S200B
Tuned By Bubba (Signal Hill)
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great set up
so how's bubba?....bubba>church?
im getting my all motor tuned by bubba
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Sorry. I don't mean to tread jack.
Bubba is a really good tuner. I dig his shop setup.
Plus Gail and her hot sister's are always there.
Bubba Tuned. DO IT DYNO.
Bubba is a really good tuner. I dig his shop setup.
Plus Gail and her hot sister's are always there.
Bubba Tuned.
DO IT DYNO.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (Championship)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
how can you possibly think a 250whp turbo LS will always outperform a 190-200whp all motor?....
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Tis True.
A Buddy of mine is making 225 in a built 2.0 Vtec all motor(EG Hatch, Me DC2T) and both of us are running 12.2-.3
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and you were also saying that in order for a n/a to get the most hp is bigger cams and to redline at 9k?...you know that's not the only thing pushing that car, were talking boring sleeving, stroker kit, P&P. all of these and alooot more need to be taken care of to smoke a 250whp turbo car
Modified by Championship at 10:29 AM 6/1/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
To Be Honest With Youu Most of the cars Bubba Tunes are to 9K or Higher.
My setup was tuned ONLY to 8500 because of the stock valve train and sleeve.
Otherwise that **** would have been tuned at higher revs.
how can you possibly think a 250whp turbo LS will always outperform a 190-200whp all motor?....
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Tis True.
A Buddy of mine is making 225 in a built 2.0 Vtec all motor(EG Hatch, Me DC2T) and both of us are running 12.2-.3
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and you were also saying that in order for a n/a to get the most hp is bigger cams and to redline at 9k?...you know that's not the only thing pushing that car, were talking boring sleeving, stroker kit, P&P. all of these and alooot more need to be taken care of to smoke a 250whp turbo car
Modified by Championship at 10:29 AM 6/1/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
To Be Honest With Youu Most of the cars Bubba Tunes are to 9K or Higher.
My setup was tuned ONLY to 8500 because of the stock valve train and sleeve.
Otherwise that **** would have been tuned at higher revs.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (DC2SiR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you are definitely right.. all depends on the driver.. my "190whp" smoked an LS turbo.. i was ripping thru gears too fast and hopped on him a car and i could hear that "pshhhhhhhhhh" behind me </TD></TR></TABLE>
there is actually more then just the driver that you have to consider, there are multiple factors that you got to take in mind, amount of hp does make a difference but you also have to look at torque also, the driver, weight, suspension set up with type and size tires.... not all turbo cars will spin the tires if they have a good suspension set up and a nice sized tire and know how to drive and prevent or stop tire spin... I'm not against NA but i prefer turbo... I know a few people with NA that are extremely fast. Also with the reliabilty issue, once you get an NA motor into higher rpms its going to be just as reliable as the turbo motor is.
you are definitely right.. all depends on the driver.. my "190whp" smoked an LS turbo.. i was ripping thru gears too fast and hopped on him a car and i could hear that "pshhhhhhhhhh" behind me
</TD></TR></TABLE>there is actually more then just the driver that you have to consider, there are multiple factors that you got to take in mind, amount of hp does make a difference but you also have to look at torque also, the driver, weight, suspension set up with type and size tires.... not all turbo cars will spin the tires if they have a good suspension set up and a nice sized tire and know how to drive and prevent or stop tire spin... I'm not against NA but i prefer turbo... I know a few people with NA that are extremely fast. Also with the reliabilty issue, once you get an NA motor into higher rpms its going to be just as reliable as the turbo motor is.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (VTECth1s)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECth1s »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I didn't say turbo and vtec are the same idiot, read my statement again.
Now read the bold letters where does it indicate that I said vtec crossesover at 2k rpm? show me and tell me!, do you know how to read and interpret words? do you even go to school? Did you read the words PRINCIPAL and CONCEPT ? how both have similar transitions, how both TURBO and VTEC ENGAGE AT A CERTAIN RPM!!!, I didnt say turbo spools at XXX RPM and VTEC engages at XXX RPM. Read before you bash someone else's post. SylvanReading you should sign up, so you can increase your knowledge of reading and comprehension. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ok, answer this. how are vtec and turbo similar again? must've missed that part in school.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO i think vladd is the only one not making sense.
how can you possibly think a 250whp turbo LS will always outperform a 190-200whp all motor?....
get off the crack pipe. this thread has pretty much gone down the drain, you guys are comparing turbo cars and all motor and trying to determine which is faster
so your saying which ever has more hp is the fastest?....you have got to be kidding me.
and you were also saying that in order for a n/a to get the most hp is bigger cams and to redline at 9k?...you know that's not the only thing pushing that car, were talking boring sleeving, stroker kit, P&P. all of these and alooot more need to be taken care of to smoke a 250whp turbo car
and if your come back is "well your spending alot more money in n/a than turbo because an n/a well never be as fast as a turbo ls" than your a douche and need to leave this forum.
im all for the turbo and n/a just as ABCVTEC but when it comes to comparing the 2 and guessing which on will be faster is rice.
Modified by Championship at 10:29 AM 6/1/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
how can i possibly think that 2 exact same cars, with one having 50 more hp, that the car with more power will beat the car with less power? well, let's see einstein; power is what makes a car accelerate. that's how.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you do know that weight to some people is EVERYTHING.
and you also know that for every 100lb taken off of the car, it shaves off .1 second off the quarter mile?</TD></TR></TABLE>
great. i don't care what weight is to whom. ABCVTEC said that it's hard to get a lot of power out of an integra, because it weighs more than a crx. maybe you can answer this; what does weight have to do with power?? the weight of your car has nothing to do with how much power it puts out. seriously. also, the whole 100 lb for .1 seconds is a very rough estimate and doesn't mean a whole lot. there is much more to a car's acceleration than the weight.
I didn't say turbo and vtec are the same idiot, read my statement again.
Now read the bold letters where does it indicate that I said vtec crossesover at 2k rpm? show me and tell me!, do you know how to read and interpret words? do you even go to school? Did you read the words PRINCIPAL and CONCEPT ? how both have similar transitions, how both TURBO and VTEC ENGAGE AT A CERTAIN RPM!!!, I didnt say turbo spools at XXX RPM and VTEC engages at XXX RPM. Read before you bash someone else's post.
SylvanReading you should sign up, so you can increase your knowledge of reading and comprehension. </TD></TR></TABLE>ok, answer this. how are vtec and turbo similar again? must've missed that part in school.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Championship »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO i think vladd is the only one not making sense.
how can you possibly think a 250whp turbo LS will always outperform a 190-200whp all motor?....
get off the crack pipe. this thread has pretty much gone down the drain, you guys are comparing turbo cars and all motor and trying to determine which is faster
so your saying which ever has more hp is the fastest?....you have got to be kidding me.
and you were also saying that in order for a n/a to get the most hp is bigger cams and to redline at 9k?...you know that's not the only thing pushing that car, were talking boring sleeving, stroker kit, P&P. all of these and alooot more need to be taken care of to smoke a 250whp turbo car
and if your come back is "well your spending alot more money in n/a than turbo because an n/a well never be as fast as a turbo ls" than your a douche and need to leave this forum.
im all for the turbo and n/a just as ABCVTEC but when it comes to comparing the 2 and guessing which on will be faster is rice.
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how can i possibly think that 2 exact same cars, with one having 50 more hp, that the car with more power will beat the car with less power? well, let's see einstein; power is what makes a car accelerate. that's how.
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you do know that weight to some people is EVERYTHING.
and you also know that for every 100lb taken off of the car, it shaves off .1 second off the quarter mile?</TD></TR></TABLE>
great. i don't care what weight is to whom. ABCVTEC said that it's hard to get a lot of power out of an integra, because it weighs more than a crx. maybe you can answer this; what does weight have to do with power?? the weight of your car has nothing to do with how much power it puts out. seriously. also, the whole 100 lb for .1 seconds is a very rough estimate and doesn't mean a whole lot. there is much more to a car's acceleration than the weight.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (vladd)
Because it's basic understood physics vladd. Objets of lighter mass are easier to propel than heavier ones. Also with the design of a car and the way power is distributed if you have a lighter car more power will go to the wheels.
I didn't say it's hard to make an Integra fast, I just said it's hard to make a fast NA Integra as compared to a gutted CRX/Civic. Also our point is that with a turbo you are waiting on that power where as with NA it's always there.
I didn't say it's hard to make an Integra fast, I just said it's hard to make a fast NA Integra as compared to a gutted CRX/Civic. Also our point is that with a turbo you are waiting on that power where as with NA it's always there.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (vladd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vladd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ok, answer this. how are vtec and turbo similar again? must've missed that part in school.
how can i possibly think that 2 exact same cars, with one having 50 more hp, that the car with more power will beat the car with less power? well, let's see einstein; power is what makes a car accelerate. that's how.
great. i don't care what weight is to whom. ABCVTEC said that it's hard to get a lot of power out of an integra, because it weighs more than a crx. maybe you can answer this; what does weight have to do with power?? the weight of your car has nothing to do with how much power it puts out. seriously. also, the whole 100 lb for .1 seconds is a very rough estimate and doesn't mean a whole lot. there is much more to a car's acceleration than the weight.</TD></TR></TABLE>
answer me this: were you a moron at birth or sometime down your life?
ok, answer this. how are vtec and turbo similar again? must've missed that part in school.
how can i possibly think that 2 exact same cars, with one having 50 more hp, that the car with more power will beat the car with less power? well, let's see einstein; power is what makes a car accelerate. that's how.
great. i don't care what weight is to whom. ABCVTEC said that it's hard to get a lot of power out of an integra, because it weighs more than a crx. maybe you can answer this; what does weight have to do with power?? the weight of your car has nothing to do with how much power it puts out. seriously. also, the whole 100 lb for .1 seconds is a very rough estimate and doesn't mean a whole lot. there is much more to a car's acceleration than the weight.</TD></TR></TABLE>
answer me this: were you a moron at birth or sometime down your life?
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Re: wut does vtec mean (vladd)
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what does weight have to do with power?? the weight of your car has nothing to do with how much power it puts out..</TD></TR></TABLE>
the lighter your car, the more powerful the car seems. duhrrrr. weight reduction
what does weight have to do with power?? the weight of your car has nothing to do with how much power it puts out..</TD></TR></TABLE>
the lighter your car, the more powerful the car seems. duhrrrr. weight reduction
Re: wut does vtec mean (DC2SiR)
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ok, answer this. how are vtec and turbo similar again? must've missed that part in school.</TD></TR></TABLE>
a turbo forces more air into the engine. vtec allows more air to be let in. they are not similar.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how can i possibly think that 2 exact same cars, with one having 50 more hp, that the car with more power will beat the car with less power? well, let's see einstein; power is what makes a car accelerate. that's how.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the car with a better powerband and better traction will win. stop with that stupid arguement of yours.
ok, answer this. how are vtec and turbo similar again? must've missed that part in school.</TD></TR></TABLE>
a turbo forces more air into the engine. vtec allows more air to be let in. they are not similar.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how can i possibly think that 2 exact same cars, with one having 50 more hp, that the car with more power will beat the car with less power? well, let's see einstein; power is what makes a car accelerate. that's how.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the car with a better powerband and better traction will win. stop with that stupid arguement of yours.
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Re: wut does vtec mean (doood)
ok i just read this whole thing and its kinda rediculous... im just gonna say
turbo and VTEC are similar because they both allow more air into the cylinders. and thinking JUST more power will win you the race makes you ignorant and a ricer imo.
(edit) and your talking about weight. just because a car is lighter doesnt mean it has more power. but you have less that that power needs to push so the given power will push the less weight quicker.
a lighter car means you NEED LESS POWER FOR THE SAME EFFECT
turbo and VTEC are similar because they both allow more air into the cylinders. and thinking JUST more power will win you the race makes you ignorant and a ricer imo.
(edit) and your talking about weight. just because a car is lighter doesnt mean it has more power. but you have less that that power needs to push so the given power will push the less weight quicker.
a lighter car means you NEED LESS POWER FOR THE SAME EFFECT
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Re: wut does vtec mean (Blahblah718293)
so what is this with vtec and boost?...they are totaly different in how they work.
vtec- more air in and out of the cylinders at certain rpm.
boost- uses the waist of your exhaust to spool and cram/force air in cylinders.
the concept is kinda the same (more hp) but 2 totaly different things.
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a lighter car means you NEED LESS POWER FOR THE SAME EFFECT </TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly...the lighter the car, the faster it will be regardless of power
vtec- more air in and out of the cylinders at certain rpm.
boost- uses the waist of your exhaust to spool and cram/force air in cylinders.
the concept is kinda the same (more hp) but 2 totaly different things.
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a lighter car means you NEED LESS POWER FOR THE SAME EFFECT </TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly...the lighter the car, the faster it will be regardless of power