Spoon Engine Swaps
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Spoon Engine Swaps
i drive a '95 Integra LS.
im planning on purchasing:
17-18" wheels
Japanese Type R conversion w/ full body kit
Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Ect.
Turbo and Intercooler
Spoon engine swap
i have seen spoon engines on inlinefour.com
do i want the b16a b16b or b18c?
any other places that would have better prices?
im planning on purchasing:
17-18" wheels
Japanese Type R conversion w/ full body kit
Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Ect.
Turbo and Intercooler
Spoon engine swap
i have seen spoon engines on inlinefour.com
do i want the b16a b16b or b18c?
any other places that would have better prices?
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (qtiger)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qtiger »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Spoon engine is a 100% normal, absolutely stock Honda engine. Buy a b18c, have it rebuilt, and send the $3000 you save to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What is the approximate cost to have a B18C rebuilt? OEM parts and otherwise. I kinda wonder if there are any reputable shops in this country anywhere after reading some posts about horror stories. I guess you just have to get a good warranty in writing and hope you don't ever need it and hope they honor it if you do need it.
I think type r rods, pistons and cams would be a nice upgrade as well.
What is the approximate cost to have a B18C rebuilt? OEM parts and otherwise. I kinda wonder if there are any reputable shops in this country anywhere after reading some posts about horror stories. I guess you just have to get a good warranty in writing and hope you don't ever need it and hope they honor it if you do need it.
I think type r rods, pistons and cams would be a nice upgrade as well.
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (qtiger)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qtiger »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Spoon engine is a 100% normal, absolutely stock Honda engine. Buy a b18c, have it rebuilt, and send the $3000 you save to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, the Spoon motor has at least higer C/R pistons and a built valvetrain. I'm pretty sure it also has been balanced and blueprinted, as well as some other goodies.
would like to hear what all has been done to a spoon motor
No, the Spoon motor has at least higer C/R pistons and a built valvetrain. I'm pretty sure it also has been balanced and blueprinted, as well as some other goodies. would like to hear what all has been done to a spoon motor
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (ITRConversion)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRConversion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i drive a '95 Integra LS.
im planning on purchasing:
17-18" wheels
Japanese Type R conversion w/ full body kit
Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Ect.
Turbo and Intercooler
Spoon engine swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not to be a dick, but you have alot of learning to do bud. Spoon motor and turbo do not go together. You can't have a header (no "S") with a turbo. And an intake is useless with a turbo.
im planning on purchasing:
17-18" wheels
Japanese Type R conversion w/ full body kit
Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Ect.
Turbo and Intercooler
Spoon engine swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not to be a dick, but you have alot of learning to do bud. Spoon motor and turbo do not go together. You can't have a header (no "S") with a turbo. And an intake is useless with a turbo.
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (WiggiE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WiggiE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not to be a dick, but you have alot of learning to do bud. Spoon motor and turbo do not go together. You can't have a header (no "S") with a turbo. And an intake is useless with a turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE> not to be a dick to you wiggie, but you can have a header (ie revhard manifold) and intake with a turbo. either way, spoon motor is a rip off. straight out of fast n furious. sup HECTOR! hook up some motec exhaust
Not to be a dick, but you have alot of learning to do bud. Spoon motor and turbo do not go together. You can't have a header (no "S") with a turbo. And an intake is useless with a turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE> not to be a dick to you wiggie, but you can have a header (ie revhard manifold) and intake with a turbo. either way, spoon motor is a rip off. straight out of fast n furious. sup HECTOR! hook up some motec exhaust
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (WiggiE)
Your list looks fine minus the spoon engine, header, and intake. Build the B18b and boost it, and you'll be good to go.
The script writers for F&F was really, really wrong to have used "spoon" and "turbo" in the same sentence.
Shingo
The script writers for F&F was really, really wrong to have used "spoon" and "turbo" in the same sentence.
Shingo
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (Threatcon13)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Threatcon13 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not to be a dick to you wiggie, but you can have a header (ie revhard manifold) and intake with a turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's not the fact you can't have one. But when people say header they mean N/A header, not a turbo header. And you can also have an intake, but the N/A style ones won't work either. I knew he didn't understand any of this concept, so I was trying to make it simple for him.
It's not the fact you can't have one. But when people say header they mean N/A header, not a turbo header. And you can also have an intake, but the N/A style ones won't work either. I knew he didn't understand any of this concept, so I was trying to make it simple for him.
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (WiggiE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WiggiE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No, the Spoon motor has at least higer C/R pistons and a built valvetrain. I'm pretty sure it also has been balanced and blueprinted, as well as some other goodies.
would like to hear what all has been done to a spoon motor</TD></TR></TABLE>
No modified internals. They take it apart, rebalance and respec it, and put it back together with a thinner headgasket. That is IT
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Each B-series engine assembly is a JDM Honda longblock straight from Spoon's engine assembly room. Spoon acquires these blocks from Honda Japan and disassembles them. Prior to reassembly, Spoon precision balances and blueprints these longblocks to ensure optimum performance during endurance racing. These long-blocks are blueprinted down to 0.1g. and include a Spoon 2ply. metal headgasket. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Go watch fast and furious again.
No, the Spoon motor has at least higer C/R pistons and a built valvetrain. I'm pretty sure it also has been balanced and blueprinted, as well as some other goodies. would like to hear what all has been done to a spoon motor</TD></TR></TABLE>No modified internals.
They take it apart, rebalance and respec it, and put it back together with a thinner headgasket. That is IT<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Each B-series engine assembly is a JDM Honda longblock straight from Spoon's engine assembly room. Spoon acquires these blocks from Honda Japan and disassembles them. Prior to reassembly, Spoon precision balances and blueprints these longblocks to ensure optimum performance during endurance racing. These long-blocks are blueprinted down to 0.1g. and include a Spoon 2ply. metal headgasket. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Go watch fast and furious again.
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (koco)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by koco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What is the approximate cost to have a B18C rebuilt? OEM parts and otherwise. I kinda wonder if there are any reputable shops in this country anywhere after reading some posts about horror stories. I guess you just have to get a good warranty in writing and hope you don't ever need it and hope they honor it if you do need it.
I think type r rods, pistons and cams would be a nice upgrade as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Go with a local machine shop. If you don't know of any, ask local dealerships. Oftentimes dealerships will outsource their engien rebuilds to shops who specialize in it. Saves them time, money, and supplies.
Now, I live near Detroit where machine shops are plentiful and cheap, so prices are typically a little lower than you might find down there.
An engine (not including trans) hot tank & rebuild at a local shop is typically $600-1000. Just the bottom end is closer to $400-600, and that's probably what I'd recommend. The wide margins are to account for parts costs based on what needs to be fixed/replaced.
Take the head in when you drop off the shortblock and just ask them to take a look at the surface and then check if it's straight. This will run you anywhere from free to $50 based on the person (some will look at it and say 'don't bother' right away, others will spec it all out). If there are problems have it surfaced or milled, but generally I'd hold off on the top end rebuild until you're throwing new cams in it or whatnot.
Type R rods are alright but for the price you could pick up a set of Eagles or Crower Econobillets, which are much lighter. Figure $2500-3500 for a b18c. $1000 for a nice rebuild. Add $700 for rods & pistons. You've still got $1800-800 left before you hit the $6K mark to spend on your topend or boltons.
And you got a trans with your motor, too.
What is the approximate cost to have a B18C rebuilt? OEM parts and otherwise. I kinda wonder if there are any reputable shops in this country anywhere after reading some posts about horror stories. I guess you just have to get a good warranty in writing and hope you don't ever need it and hope they honor it if you do need it.
I think type r rods, pistons and cams would be a nice upgrade as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Go with a local machine shop. If you don't know of any, ask local dealerships. Oftentimes dealerships will outsource their engien rebuilds to shops who specialize in it. Saves them time, money, and supplies.
Now, I live near Detroit where machine shops are plentiful and cheap, so prices are typically a little lower than you might find down there.
An engine (not including trans) hot tank & rebuild at a local shop is typically $600-1000. Just the bottom end is closer to $400-600, and that's probably what I'd recommend. The wide margins are to account for parts costs based on what needs to be fixed/replaced.
Take the head in when you drop off the shortblock and just ask them to take a look at the surface and then check if it's straight. This will run you anywhere from free to $50 based on the person (some will look at it and say 'don't bother' right away, others will spec it all out). If there are problems have it surfaced or milled, but generally I'd hold off on the top end rebuild until you're throwing new cams in it or whatnot.
Type R rods are alright but for the price you could pick up a set of Eagles or Crower Econobillets, which are much lighter. Figure $2500-3500 for a b18c. $1000 for a nice rebuild. Add $700 for rods & pistons. You've still got $1800-800 left before you hit the $6K mark to spend on your topend or boltons.
And you got a trans with your motor, too.
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Re: Spoon Engine Swaps (ITRConversion)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRConversion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i drive a '95 Integra LS.
im planning on purchasing:
17-18" wheels
Japanese Type R conversion w/ full body kit
Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Ect.
Turbo and Intercooler
Spoon engine swap
i have seen spoon engines on inlinefour.com
do i want the b16a b16b or b18c?
any other places that would have better prices?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
oh my someone is going to be spending some money. once you buy the turbo and intercooler you can send the intake and header to me
im planning on purchasing:
17-18" wheels
Japanese Type R conversion w/ full body kit
Headers, Intake, Exhaust, Ect.
Turbo and Intercooler
Spoon engine swap
i have seen spoon engines on inlinefour.com
do i want the b16a b16b or b18c?
any other places that would have better prices?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
oh my someone is going to be spending some money. once you buy the turbo and intercooler you can send the intake and header to me
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