oh and BTW your car will never be a sleeper who are you trying to fool?
Maybe if you were racing a domestic.
have you seen true sleepers? if you did you probably didn't even notic them.

 

also a car doesnt need to be lowered to improve handling

 

I wouldn't think its rediculous to get the LS rims and moldings, but it is extreme. I thought about doing that before but you have to draw the line somewhere when you start negatively affecting the appearance of your car. Besides, the rims don't really give away the car since a lot of people like rolling on the old 95 GSR rims. Some people also paint their moldings, my car is black so the moldings are hard to see. I just debadged the car and added a 3rd brake-light for the integra enthusiasts And as for lowering not required for suspension improvements, I agree but lowering is probably the cheapest way and does enhance the look car... but that my opinion.

 

Also you could keep the look of the GSR exterior and slap on a "Special Edition" badge in place of the stock "DOHC VTEC" badge under the taillight, the exhaust will still give you away... unless you unscrew and take off the little tip Honda added on... but again... its how you want your car to look.

 

it does improve handling. and i am lowered 2.25 inches r, 2 inches f, and i am not one of those people screaming " i destroyed my header!" i had the jdm dc 4 to 1 on my car for four months, when i pulled it off, it was in mint condition. personally, i dont think tenzo strut bars and obx exhaust improves performance...but to each his own.

 

 

i never said it did either but my exhaust was broken and i needed a replacement so why not, the strut bars were free also

and also just lowering without adding better dampers and tires really wont improve handling very much if at all, my Azenis improved my handling more than any set of springs alone would have

 

It doesnt make sense to remove the rear Vtec sticker if youre only going to put on red VTEC labels on the sides of the car.

Personally, i'd remove it.

 

I have the same sticker (off of a 99 Civic Si), but its the OEM color and it's placed in the same place as the Civic Si's. I think red is too much. I wanted it to be a bit more discrete so I chose the factory sticker instead. It is hard to see clearly on a white integra, but I did it because of the aforementioned - here's a pic.



[Modified by Gizzzer98, 12:18 PM 1/13/2003]


[Modified by Gizzzer98, 12:19 PM 1/13/2003]

 

If your're going for the sleeper look, I would take off the sticker because they just advertise that you have a GS-R...and that is contrary to what I define as a sleeper.

 

Doesn't matter how stock it looks, if it isn't fast, it's not a sleeper.

 

a stock GSR isnt what i would call a rocket but its a pretty fast car

 

i have springs, stock shocks,azenis, and mugen rear strut tower brace(stock gsr brace in front)...my handling has definitely improved. youre right, getting better shocks would make a bigger difference( w/ itr rear swaybar) but you can't say that springs have no positive affect on performance. ( either way, my next suspension mod is itr rear swaybar) but again..this post has gone waaaaaaaaaaay off topic. take off the stickers, keep them on, i personally i'm not all about advertising the vtec. i removed my rear badge about 2 weeks after i bought the car.

 

i didnt say they would have no positive affect but as with anything else they are part of a team and without all the players being equal they wont do a lot on their own, tires obviously being the key player on the suspension team

 

Take all that **** off, including the Hype-Arr wing! Yeah, lets take these decals off to be a sleeper, but i stull have a 2 foot tall ITR wing, yeah!

 

Good point.

 

Thanks for all of your opinions and comments!!! I think I've come to the decision that I am going to remove the DOHC Vtec stickers. I got them at a boardwalk in New Jersey about a month after I bought my car a year and a half ago. I liked them at the time, but I don't really think I like them anymore. I also wish I would have put them a little higher up. Also, I love the ITR wing IMO so I'm gonig to keep that on. Im looking to buy at 97 ITR front lip and either OEM Side Skirts or get my stock ones professionally painted. So if anyone has any for sale, let me know. And I will be dropping it with H&R Sports it the spring. I don't need my car to be a snow plow for the winter up here in New Hampshire. But thanks for all of your posts.

 

you think stock Tegs have alot of body roll? Azenis on stock suspension would give it even MORE body roll.

I prefer to be somewhat sleeper (low key) yet cleanly modded

 

i got to agree with almost everyone else, if you want it to be a true sleeper, it can't have anything on it (including the wing) that wouldn't come off the lot of an acura dealership. sleeper=looks like a stock GS off the lot.

 

i never said the cars handled flat out of the box and yes like almost any other car from the factory does have a certain amount of body roll, to say that its excessive is just wrong, try driving a Buick Park Avenue sometime and tell me about body roll

more emphasis should be placed on real handling improvement rather than just minimizing body roll, just because a car doesnt roll doesnt really mean that that by itself makes it a good handling car

but on the sleeper topic sometimes totally shaving a car makes it less of a sleeper

 

oFF!

sLeEpeR!

 

i personally really like the stickers. they are unique. keep em

 

what i think of sleeper is fast car that looks like its not fast or even quick, that being said its tough to make an Integra a real sleeper since it has a reputation of being a reasonably fast car, tough to make it real sleeper like

 

The left one is mine, i like the low-key look


[Modified by nfn15037, 5:21 PM 1/13/2003]

 

I agree with half your statement with the "what i think of sleeper is fast car that looks like its not fast or even quick". But I think any car can be a sleeper, to me and so far it just seems like we are all just giving our $0.02 about what a sleeper is... To me a sleeper is a car that is faster than what you EXPECT it to be. To have all or most the performance upgrades unnoticeable. So even a NSX can be a sleeper to me if it appears stock but does a quarter mile run in 10 seconds. It may not be considered a sleeper by possibly stock Civics or Integras, but to a fellow NSX driver who might have minor bolt ons... its a sleeper.