LSD better or Phantom Grip better?
10-12-2004, 07:06 PM
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LSD better or Phantom Grip better?
I am looking for a LSD or a Phantom Grip for my 98 GSR, does anyone have any ideas which one will work better? Thx Jason
10-12-2004, 07:15 PM
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Re: LSD better or Phantom Grip better? (SleepinTeg)
Your post hurts my head
Ask yourself: Phantom Grip is a form of _________. (hint**the answer is in your post title**)
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Ask yourself: Phantom Grip is a form of _________. (hint**the answer is in your post title**)
Then click on this https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=979961
10-12-2004, 07:21 PM
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Re: LSD better or Phantom Grip better? (ProJectCvic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ProJectCvic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your post hurts my head
Ask yourself: Phantom Grip is a form of _________. (hint**the answer is in your post title**)
Then click on this https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=979961</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ooo Oooo, i know. call me call me. The anwer is LSD. Stupid post. Such a contridiction
Ask yourself: Phantom Grip is a form of _________. (hint**the answer is in your post title**)
Then click on this https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=979961</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ooo Oooo, i know. call me call me. The anwer is LSD. Stupid post. Such a contridiction
10-12-2004, 08:14 PM
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Re: LSD better or Phantom Grip better? (SleepinTeg)
Technically ProJectCvic, a Phantom Grip is not really an LSD. It's not a differential at all. It's basically two pieces of metal that is forced apart with a spring and locks the spider gears of your stock differential together.
To the original poster, you have to ask yourself, "Is it worth the money?" Many people say the Phantom Grip is total garbage. But you have to see what type of modifications the car has. Under certain conditions, the Phantom Grip can be a very good cheap alternative to an LSD. A few of my friends are running it and making good power/numbers/times. No problems either.
A true LSD is going to require much more money....that is unless you can get a used one somewhere. And not to flame, but if you're asking a question such as this, chances are you won't know how to install it yourself.
Installing an LSD (MOST of the time) isn't a do-it-yourselfer. I consider myself pretty mechanically inclined and I can do almost anything. But working with a transmission scares even me.
EDIT: Just to pass on some knowledge I read here. I have no idea about the quality or anything, but there is word of an OBX LSD that's available now. They say it's basically identical to the Quaiffe, but $250 instead of $800 and visually exactly the same. I'm not promoting it's use or praising it, I'm just simply passing on some knowledge for you guys interested in LSD's.
To the original poster, you have to ask yourself, "Is it worth the money?" Many people say the Phantom Grip is total garbage. But you have to see what type of modifications the car has. Under certain conditions, the Phantom Grip can be a very good cheap alternative to an LSD. A few of my friends are running it and making good power/numbers/times. No problems either.
A true LSD is going to require much more money....that is unless you can get a used one somewhere. And not to flame, but if you're asking a question such as this, chances are you won't know how to install it yourself.
Installing an LSD (MOST of the time) isn't a do-it-yourselfer. I consider myself pretty mechanically inclined and I can do almost anything. But working with a transmission scares even me.
EDIT: Just to pass on some knowledge I read here. I have no idea about the quality or anything, but there is word of an OBX LSD that's available now. They say it's basically identical to the Quaiffe, but $250 instead of $800 and visually exactly the same. I'm not promoting it's use or praising it, I'm just simply passing on some knowledge for you guys interested in LSD's.
10-12-2004, 10:20 PM
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Re: LSD better or Phantom Grip better? (shamoo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shamoo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Technically ProJectCvic, a Phantom Grip is not really an LSD. </TD></TR></TABLE>
But, phantom grip is a form of lsd considering that it consist of two metal plate goes in your differential...you stick in the differential and release the pin. It is kinda of like a rig version of the LSD basically. The spring that pushed the collars apart is too weak as i have heard from people using this setup, thus does not help with track times.
Not to argue b/c i think we all are both on the same page just using different vocabularly. I think phanton grip is an differential modified to become an LSD, but still an lsd to me
But, phantom grip is a form of lsd considering that it consist of two metal plate goes in your differential...you stick in the differential and release the pin. It is kinda of like a rig version of the LSD basically. The spring that pushed the collars apart is too weak as i have heard from people using this setup, thus does not help with track times.
Not to argue b/c i think we all are both on the same page just using different vocabularly. I think phanton grip is an differential modified to become an LSD, but still an lsd to me
10-13-2004, 05:02 AM
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Re: LSD better or Phantom Grip better? (B20ZLS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B20ZLS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
But, phantom grip is a form of lsd considering that it consist of two metal plate goes in your differential...you stick in the differential and release the pin. It is kinda of like a rig version of the LSD basically. The spring that pushed the collars apart is too weak as i have heard from people using this setup, thus does not help with track times.
Not to argue b/c i think we all are both on the same page just using different vocabularly. I think phanton grip is an differential modified to become an LSD, but still an lsd to me
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The Phantom Grip is NOT a differential, period. A differential has gears that transfer the power from the transmission to the axles. The stock diff is the open type, and the Phantom Grip is a device that you add to a stock open diff to make it act like a limited-slip diff.
Shamoo is correct.
But, phantom grip is a form of lsd considering that it consist of two metal plate goes in your differential...you stick in the differential and release the pin. It is kinda of like a rig version of the LSD basically. The spring that pushed the collars apart is too weak as i have heard from people using this setup, thus does not help with track times.
Not to argue b/c i think we all are both on the same page just using different vocabularly. I think phanton grip is an differential modified to become an LSD, but still an lsd to me
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Phantom Grip is NOT a differential, period. A differential has gears that transfer the power from the transmission to the axles. The stock diff is the open type, and the Phantom Grip is a device that you add to a stock open diff to make it act like a limited-slip diff.
Shamoo is correct.
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10-13-2004, 05:23 AM
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Re: LSD better or Phantom Grip better? (PatrickGSR94)
Exactly...the Phantom Grip itself is not a differential, plain and simple. It is a tool used to mimic the characteristics of a limited slip differential. For so cheap, it doesnt do a bad job from what I've seen in certain scenarios, but it will not give you the same performance as a real LSD.
I also dont trust something just wedged in there running on it everyday....if I were you, I would save up for at least an ITR LSD which can be had for pretty cheap nowadays. Cheap enough to not consider phantom grip.
I also dont trust something just wedged in there running on it everyday....if I were you, I would save up for at least an ITR LSD which can be had for pretty cheap nowadays. Cheap enough to not consider phantom grip.
10-13-2004, 07:00 AM
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He did answer his question, which was phantom grip or LSD, he said LSD. Whats your problem?
Granted he could have said why other than "more performant" but nobodys perfect
Granted he could have said why other than "more performant" but nobodys perfect
10-13-2004, 01:54 PM
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Phantom Slips are more of a locker than anything. They kinda work, but are only as strong as your stock differential, which is usually not that strong.
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