I currently own a 90 Acura Integra LS, just a b18 nonvtec, far from special, not bad for a small town car, but recently a friend purchused a RSX and I'd like to do a VTEC conversion to hopefully stay with him and not get completely owned. Ive been reading around and Ive "heard" that you can use a b16 vtec head on a b18 block for the same results. Is this true? or do I need a "GSR" head? Or would I just be better off buying a set of cams? I know with cams im going to get roughly the same horsepower as a vtec head, just lose the fuel mileage. Any help would be greatly appreaciated

Thanks
Cody

 

stock ls with vtec head isn't going to even come close to rsx. it is pointless to do if that is your goal. you also need to do a bunch of research and read a lot. you can piece together a turbo kit for about 1k depending on your preferences.

 

yeah ls vtec isnt a piece of cake... you have to plug up some holes in the head and a few other things tap for a knock senser... and you cant rev high with the ls rods and pistons like the gsr.. but yes you can use the b16 head.. i found a step by step site somewhere.. search on google thats where i found it

 

ok. it is still not going to keep up with rsx if that is your ultimate goal, you need more like a turbo, and good suspension, or a k20 swap or a h22, lsvtec won't get you there alone.

 

search the archives for lsvtec and read until you go blind

look at this too
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1504444

and this
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1519455

 

It isnt a RSX Type S.. Its onyl a base model, my goal isnt to keep up with him either way, I got my car for graduation and have been wanting some more "gitty up" for a while, and I figured now was as good as ever. I just wanted some info on doing a LS - vtec conversion, how much work is it to use a b16 head? or is it just as easy to get some cams?

Thanks

 

in that case, u can keep up w/ him. if im not mistaken...the baseline rsx only has 160hp as oppose to the type s having 210hp.

 

I have an 90 integra Ls. I am gathering the parts for the swap. This is what I have gathered so far:
1.)1999 Gsr Head (complete with Cams, Valves, Springs, Retainers, and Valve cover. $400.00
2.) 1995 OBD-1 P72 ECU $110.00
3.) Vtec Solenoid $25.00
4.) Head Bolts $30.00
5.) Vtec Distributor $210.00
6.) OBD-0 to OBD-1 Wire Harness $104.00
7.) Kms B-18 Pistons $545.00
8.) Head Gasket (95 Integra Gsr) $80.00
9.) Water Pump (95 GSR) $45.00
10.) GSR Timing Belt $54.00
11.) GSR Knock Sensor $126.00
12.) Piston Rings $140.00
13.) Skunk2 Intake Manifold $175.00
14.) AEM Fuel Rail 125.00
15.) AEM fuel Regulator 150.00
16.) Hayame Cam Gears 175.00
17.) Golden Eagle Oil Feed Block 92.00
18.) Golden Eagle Vtec Dowel Pins 24.00
And I am still Short on a couple of parts. not all of these parts are nesscesary but they are recomended. This is for a future turbo setup so everything has to be done right. I have a friend that got away with doing the whole setup for 1700.00 but it messed up a couple of his pistons. If you are going to really build your car then do it. If you just want tokeep up with your friend then just turbo it and call it a day.

 

**** i was thinkin ls/vtec to for a while... but its a pain in the *** ( after all the reading i did ) so you should jsut do what im doin ( im jsut saving money right now )

-CP ( or other type ) Pistions
-Skunk2 Cams w/ shafts
-Fuel Rail
-Skunk2 Duel Valve Springs

^^ Basically rebuilding the engine with better parts to make ur teggy quicker


Then... after all that , you should look into the turbo

do that list 1st, cuz if u go turbo 1st, you will blow **** out of ur stock engine


Hope this helped

 

WHERE did you get a complete GSR head for 400 bucks..?! Your off to a nice start, thanks for the comments.. So I'd would be way better off just spending the extra money and buying a VTEC head over some cams?


Thanks
Cody

 

i've given up on ls/vtec, too much hassle. i realized turbo is actually the easier/cheaper route, more power as well. but gas mileage will KILL you hahaha.

 

Neighbor had it sitting in his Garage. He thought it would fit on his car (91 Civic) but when he found out how much work it was he sold most of his parts that he had accumuleted together. He just got frustrated with all of the work and effort and time that this project can take.

 

Why don;t you just save a couple grand, sell your LS and buy a GSR?

I was going to buy an LS and do the LS/Vtec thing because I woudln't have the money up front to buya GSR, but I was kickin myself the whole time I was doing research because I could save SO much time and effort if I just started off w/a GSR.

Hopefully I'm goin this weekend to pick up my GSR now Hopefully.

 

Elbow Punk you are very misinformed, A turbo kit on a stock engine will not "blow the **** out of it", many people I have talked to and many people on this site are running 12+ psi on a 100% stock block in a dd, it can be very reliable with a good tune and and alot cheaper in the long run, do some research before you reply about something you dont know about.

to original poster: if you want to blow the doors off that rsx, you need a turbo kit, if you want to be the same speed as him than do ls-v, personally I would rather spend 500 more and get a turbo, you will have much more hp for not much more money.

just saw you changed your mind, so yea, turbo that bitch.

 

Ok before any horsepower addition goes on, I lost my transmisson... twice, my motor mounts got bad the first time, and the stabalizer bar pulled the back of the transmission off.. so i replaced the mounts, they got bad so i went with polyurethane inserts, but the motor still moved far enough to peal the back of my tranny off.. thsi is the 2nd time, Ive read about this being a common problem with the 90-91 tegras, when I put it back together this time im going with COMPLETE polyurthene mounts, light wiehgt flywheel, the works. Has anyone heard of this before? I know they have a conversion kit from cable/ linkage to hydro, I might also do that


Thanks Again
Cody

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg racer 877 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Elbow Punk you are very misinformed, A turbo kit on a stock engine will not "blow the **** out of it", many people I have talked to and many people on this site are running 12+ psi on a 100% stock block in a dd, it can be very reliable with a good tune and and alot cheaper in the long run, do some research before you reply about something you dont know about.

to original poster: if you want to blow the doors off that rsx, you need a turbo kit, if you want to be the same speed as him than do ls-v, personally I would rather spend 500 more and get a turbo, you will have much more hp for not much more money.

just saw you changed your mind, so yea, turbo that bitch.</TD></TR></TABLE>


what ?? u serious **** i have been told many times to upgrade the internals to make it better.... damnit... i was so close of gettin one too ...FFF**

 

u dont have to upgrade internals but remember to tune tune tune. and also to the original poster, im an all motor guy so if i was u id go all motor. ls vtec is pricey but not rediculous expensive like stated on here. im doin b20 vtec in my 92 integra next month. this is what i got so far:

b16 head with itr cams, itr springs,vlaves,retainers,aebs manifold portmatched and jg cam gears: $600

endyn breather kit: $164

all the goodies to convert (dowel pins, stainless lines, etc.) $ about 100

b16 ecu: $125

then all i got left is the cost to my builder: $500

its a very mild build but i think im gonna like it. also if u go ls vtec get a different tranny. im ordering a b16 tranny wit lsd next month. it cost a lil bit but i cant wait till its fully built and my all motor car is beating cars with forced induction. there is no doubt u can do ls-t for pretty cheap and make more power than a mild all motor but that turbo **** is gonna become unreliable after a lil while on stock internals. also, if u turbo ur gonna want to upgrade cooling system, fuel system, etc. and when u wanna make serious power bigger turbo, sleeve block all internals, just a crock of **** if u ask me.

 

Well... its good to upgrade them so that you will preform better... like cams and all that ****...

so for the turbo... say i get one, and not the kit ( too much for me ), what do i exectly need... i kno the turbo duh!, but what else ??

-Turbo
-Turbo Manifold ??
-( WHat else? )

 

goping lsvtec is gonna cost like a a grand.. getting the head.. oil conversion line.. ecu.. dowel pins.. gaskets.. rod bolts... its a mess.. if u want to go fast get a turbo kit like someone said here..

going a stock vtec head will not be that fast..

 

im peicing together my kit right now for my 01 ls, I have spent 1300 and all I need is the turbo and fuel pump, before you start to buy parts you need to learn alot about whats out there, you need to know what your buying. and yes it is a good idea to do internals as well whan you go turbo, but not at all a nececity, if your on a budget just stick with a stock motor and run 7-12 psi. the most important thing is tuning, I would deff. shell out the dough for a good system,(hondata,aem), but I have heard or people that do well with the "free" programs like chrome and uber. Here is a basic list of parts you would need for a turbo setup.

1 turbo
2 mani
3 charge pipes
4 downpipe
5 intercooler
6 waste gate
7 BOV
8 oil lines
9 fuel pump
10 injectors
11 hondata, chrome,uber,ext.
12 misc. clamps fittings, couplers, ext.
I know im forgetting something but that is the basic list. should run you about 2,200 if you get good stuff, 1,800 if you get no name stuff.

 

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what is the "hassle" with lsvtec? tappin a head and plugging? running a 9/16 oil line? pining 2 wires? i can almost gurantee with a turbo kit, you are gonna be a hassle in making run/reliable.

 

yea I think Ls-v and Ls-t are about the same as far as difficulty and Hassle and reliability, how its built and assembled makes a big diff. though, dont base your choice off how much of a hassle it is.

 

http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php

1..2..3....go,

are you up to the challenge?

 

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1..2..3....go,

are you up to the challenge? </TD></TR></TABLE>

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go with a turbo kit. its more complicated but its woth every penny. plus all motor is more expensive if your planning to reach good numbers. with some tunning an ls turbo will be reliable too.

if your desperate to keep up with rsx's just get a 50 shot. im pretty shure lower models come with only 160hp

vtec isnt gunna give you that much more hp and neither are cams

forced induction is the way to go