which do u prefer?
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Re: which do u prefer? (eXstacE)
ls because you could make a sick ls/vtec motor which makes great power, but its expensive to build it right , And the gs-r because it already has vtec and its still a good motor for boosting. It wont make as much as the ls/vtec could but its still way less of a hasle to build...
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Take a GSR(stock) and an LS(stock) Race them. Who wins?..... I hope you picked the GSR. Now take both cars and put Turbo on them. Lets say run 8 pounds of boost. Race them again Who wins? once again The GSR. Also LS/V-Tec is not better. The difference between a B18C1 and a LS/V-Tec, would the the compression, and the C1 block looks cooler but thats it.
Honda made VTEC for power.
Take a GSR(stock) and an LS(stock) Race them. Who wins?..... I hope you picked the GSR. Now take both cars and put Turbo on them. Lets say run 8 pounds of boost. Race them again Who wins? once again The GSR. Also LS/V-Tec is not better. The difference between a B18C1 and a LS/V-Tec, would the the compression, and the C1 block looks cooler but thats it.
Honda made VTEC for power.
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Re: (JTurbo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JTurbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK
compression, and the C1 block looks cooler but thats it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
arent the blocks nearly identical in appearance?
compression, and the C1 block looks cooler but thats it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
arent the blocks nearly identical in appearance?
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Re: (JTurbo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JTurbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK
Take a GSR(stock) and an LS(stock) Race them. Who wins?..... I hope you picked the GSR. Now take both cars and put Turbo on them. Lets say run 8 pounds of boost. Race them again Who wins? once again The GSR. Also LS/V-Tec is not better. The difference between a B18C1 and a LS/V-Tec, would the the compression, and the C1 block looks cooler but thats it.
Honda made VTEC for power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ok and now put a turbo on both Gs-r and the ls/vtec and again run 8 pounds of boost....the ls/vtec will win. ls/vtec is better because it has a bigger stroke..... bigger stroke thus more power.... more power = better
... ls/vtec is more promising for both N/A and Turbo set-ups .... 
but the Gs-r does have better suspension and better resale value 
Take a GSR(stock) and an LS(stock) Race them. Who wins?..... I hope you picked the GSR. Now take both cars and put Turbo on them. Lets say run 8 pounds of boost. Race them again Who wins? once again The GSR. Also LS/V-Tec is not better. The difference between a B18C1 and a LS/V-Tec, would the the compression, and the C1 block looks cooler but thats it.
Honda made VTEC for power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ok and now put a turbo on both Gs-r and the ls/vtec and again run 8 pounds of boost....the ls/vtec will win. ls/vtec is better because it has a bigger stroke..... bigger stroke thus more power.... more power = better
... ls/vtec is more promising for both N/A and Turbo set-ups .... but the Gs-r does have better suspension and better resale value
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Re: which do u prefer? (eXstacE)
i would buy a GSR cause after the VTEC kicks in your have extra heads for more power and the GSR has stronger axles if you wanna do some hard driving. The GSR is also stronger all around with more HP and more TQ.
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Re: which do u prefer? (sn2bstteg)
also GSR cause LS is all around weak. if you wanna do a hybrid motor suit yourslef, but you will have more maintenience if you with LS/VTEC stick with the GSR and go all motor.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sn2bstteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok and now put a turbo on both Gs-r and the ls/vtec and again run 8 pounds of boost....the ls/vtec will win. ls/vtec is better because it has a bigger stroke..... bigger stroke thus more power.... more power = better ... ls/vtec is more promising for both N/A and Turbo set-ups .... but the Gs-r does have better suspension and better resale value </TD></TR></TABLE>
I would get the GSR, and I have owned both an LS and a GSR. It is true that the compression is lower for the LS, and therefore you can run more boost IF you decide to go turbo. However, the GSR is much faster out of the box, and is more fun to drive in my opinion. The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS) - but the shocks, springs, LCAs, etc are the same. The GSR is a good car for someone who just wants bolt-ons, it has potential and can be reasonably fast for less money invested in mods. Although insurance costs are much worse.
The $750 for an LS someone else mentioned is for the motor only. Most B18Bs you see for sale are around $750, while GSR motors are $2-3k. Since you are looking for the actual car, this doesn't matter unless you decide to swap in another motor later on.
As for LS/VTEC, in order for it to make more power than a GSR, it needs to be done right. The LS/VTEC will not be able to rev as high as a GSR without doing some internal modifications to the motor. Also, since you live in So. Cal, you will never pass smog with an LS/VTEC, so that would remove it from contention for me unless you are going to build a drag/track car that will never see the actual road.
If you do decide to go with the LS, you may want to think about swapping in a different transmission. The biggest hindrance in terms of acceleration for an LS is the long geared tranny, switching to a gsr, b16 or itr tranny will help out immensely.
And Honda didn't make VTEC for power, they made it as a compromise between power and fuel economy. If they made it for power, it would create a lot more torque.
... ls/vtec is more promising for both N/A and Turbo set-ups .... but the Gs-r does have better suspension and better resale value </TD></TR></TABLE>I would get the GSR, and I have owned both an LS and a GSR. It is true that the compression is lower for the LS, and therefore you can run more boost IF you decide to go turbo. However, the GSR is much faster out of the box, and is more fun to drive in my opinion. The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS) - but the shocks, springs, LCAs, etc are the same. The GSR is a good car for someone who just wants bolt-ons, it has potential and can be reasonably fast for less money invested in mods. Although insurance costs are much worse.
The $750 for an LS someone else mentioned is for the motor only. Most B18Bs you see for sale are around $750, while GSR motors are $2-3k. Since you are looking for the actual car, this doesn't matter unless you decide to swap in another motor later on.
As for LS/VTEC, in order for it to make more power than a GSR, it needs to be done right. The LS/VTEC will not be able to rev as high as a GSR without doing some internal modifications to the motor. Also, since you live in So. Cal, you will never pass smog with an LS/VTEC, so that would remove it from contention for me unless you are going to build a drag/track car that will never see the actual road.
If you do decide to go with the LS, you may want to think about swapping in a different transmission. The biggest hindrance in terms of acceleration for an LS is the long geared tranny, switching to a gsr, b16 or itr tranny will help out immensely.
And Honda didn't make VTEC for power, they made it as a compromise between power and fuel economy. If they made it for power, it would create a lot more torque.
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I would get the GSR, and I have owned both an LS and a GSR. It is true that the compression is lower for the LS, and therefore you can run more boost IF you decide to go turbo. However, the GSR is much faster out of the box, and is more fun to drive in my opinion. The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS) - but the shocks, springs, LCAs, etc are the same. The GSR is a good car for someone who just wants bolt-ons, it has potential and can be reasonably fast for less money invested in mods. Although insurance costs are much worse.
The $750 for an LS someone else mentioned is for the motor only. Most B18Bs you see for sale are around $750, while GSR motors are $2-3k. Since you are looking for the actual car, this doesn't matter unless you decide to swap in another motor later on.
As for LS/VTEC, in order for it to make more power than a GSR, it needs to be done right. The LS/VTEC will not be able to rev as high as a GSR without doing some internal modifications to the motor. Also, since you live in So. Cal, you will never pass smog with an LS/VTEC, so that would remove it from contention for me unless you are going to build a drag/track car that will never see the actual road.
If you do decide to go with the LS, you may want to think about swapping in a different transmission. The biggest hindrance in terms of acceleration for an LS is the long geared tranny, switching to a gsr, b16 or itr tranny will help out immensely.
And Honda didn't make VTEC for power, they made it as a compromise between power and fuel economy. If they made it for power, it would create a lot more torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for Elaborating on what I said But yes Gs-r's would be the better choice just because of the fact that they would be more reliable.... All I was trying to say is that ls/vtec be able to obtain more power, minus what you would have to do to it... but if you're looking for power ls/vtec is where its at...And if you think about it it would coast you less overall to go with the ls because of insurance rates and the coast of a Gs-r is typically $1,500-3,000 more than the ls would be…More power less money ... in the long run...
I would get the GSR, and I have owned both an LS and a GSR. It is true that the compression is lower for the LS, and therefore you can run more boost IF you decide to go turbo. However, the GSR is much faster out of the box, and is more fun to drive in my opinion. The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS) - but the shocks, springs, LCAs, etc are the same. The GSR is a good car for someone who just wants bolt-ons, it has potential and can be reasonably fast for less money invested in mods. Although insurance costs are much worse.
The $750 for an LS someone else mentioned is for the motor only. Most B18Bs you see for sale are around $750, while GSR motors are $2-3k. Since you are looking for the actual car, this doesn't matter unless you decide to swap in another motor later on.
As for LS/VTEC, in order for it to make more power than a GSR, it needs to be done right. The LS/VTEC will not be able to rev as high as a GSR without doing some internal modifications to the motor. Also, since you live in So. Cal, you will never pass smog with an LS/VTEC, so that would remove it from contention for me unless you are going to build a drag/track car that will never see the actual road.
If you do decide to go with the LS, you may want to think about swapping in a different transmission. The biggest hindrance in terms of acceleration for an LS is the long geared tranny, switching to a gsr, b16 or itr tranny will help out immensely.
And Honda didn't make VTEC for power, they made it as a compromise between power and fuel economy. If they made it for power, it would create a lot more torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for Elaborating on what I said
But yes Gs-r's would be the better choice just because of the fact that they would be more reliable.... All I was trying to say is that ls/vtec be able to obtain more power, minus what you would have to do to it... but if you're looking for power ls/vtec is where its at...And if you think about it it would coast you less overall to go with the ls because of insurance rates and the coast of a Gs-r is typically $1,500-3,000 more than the ls would be…More power less money ... in the long run...
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Thanks for Elaborating on what I said But yes Gs-r's would be the better choice just because of the fact that they would be more reliable.... All I was trying to say is that ls/vtec be able to obtain more power, minus what you would have to do to it... but if you're looking for power ls/vtec is where its at...And if you think about it it would coast you less overall to go with the ls because of insurance rates and the coast of a Gs-r is typically $1,500-3,000 more than the ls would be…More power less money ... in the long run...</TD></TR></TABLE> Actually he wasn't elaborating on what you said, he actually explained several different aspects, where you just stated that increased stroke= more power, and you're bringing up LSVTEC, in which lacking extensive internal work will not be the most reliable nor the most powerful. After you get the machine work and all the parts necessary to make a safe lsvtec, there goes the 1500 difference. Just my two cents.
Thanks for Elaborating on what I said
But yes Gs-r's would be the better choice just because of the fact that they would be more reliable.... All I was trying to say is that ls/vtec be able to obtain more power, minus what you would have to do to it... but if you're looking for power ls/vtec is where its at...And if you think about it it would coast you less overall to go with the ls because of insurance rates and the coast of a Gs-r is typically $1,500-3,000 more than the ls would be…More power less money ... in the long run...</TD></TR></TABLE> Actually he wasn't elaborating on what you said, he actually explained several different aspects, where you just stated that increased stroke= more power, and you're bringing up LSVTEC, in which lacking extensive internal work will not be the most reliable nor the most powerful. After you get the machine work and all the parts necessary to make a safe lsvtec, there goes the 1500 difference. Just my two cents.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Threatcon13 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Actually he wasn't elaborating on what you said, he actually explained several different aspects, where you just stated that increased stroke= more power, and you're bringing up LSVTEC, in which lacking extensive internal work will not be the most reliable nor the most powerful. After you get the machine work and all the parts necessary to make a safe lsvtec, there goes the 1500 difference. Just my two cents. </TD></TR></TABLE>
"The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS)" <----- that to me is elaborating haha ... And true I did not bring up the fact that you have to do "extensive internal work" but i did say that it would be expensive to build it right... yeah and that 1,500 differences makes for more power....lol Im just trying to stick up for my ls/vtec love....
"The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS)" <----- that to me is elaborating haha ... And true I did not bring up the fact that you have to do "extensive internal work" but i did say that it would be expensive to build it right... yeah and that 1,500 differences makes for more power....lol Im just trying to stick up for my ls/vtec love....
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"The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS)" <----- that to me is elaborating haha ... And true I did not bring up the fact that you have to do "extensive internal work" but i did say that it would be expensive to build it right... yeah and that 1,500 differences makes for more power....lol Im just trying to stick up for my ls/vtec love....</TD></TR></TABLE> Yea that is cool dude...I have seen many LSVTECs make sick power, like courtneys ( I just moved away from UT). But I must stick up then for my b18c1 w/ c5 head love
"The suspension for both cars is similar (the only difference is the size of the rear sway and the lack of a strut bar on the LS)" <----- that to me is elaborating haha ... And true I did not bring up the fact that you have to do "extensive internal work" but i did say that it would be expensive to build it right... yeah and that 1,500 differences makes for more power....lol Im just trying to stick up for my ls/vtec love....</TD></TR></TABLE> Yea that is cool dude...I have seen many LSVTECs make sick power, like courtneys ( I just moved away from UT). But I must stick up then for my b18c1 w/ c5 head love
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Threatcon13 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Yea that is cool dude...I have seen many LSVTECs make sick power, like courtneys ( I just moved away from UT). But I must stick up then for my b18c1 w/ c5 head love </TD></TR></TABLE>
hahahah dude everyone knows Courtney... Mr green Is an awesome guy times ten ..... sorry guys for being off topic...
</TD></TR></TABLE>hahahah dude everyone knows Courtney... Mr green Is an awesome guy times ten ..... sorry guys for being off topic...
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