skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams
01-21-2005, 06:58 AM
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skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams
they share somewhat similar specs, but the advertised duration for both cams are measure differently.
which cams have more duration/ are bigger?
i'm just going to assume the bigger one has more potential for power since both profiles are proven to make power
which cams have more duration/ are bigger?
i'm just going to assume the bigger one has more potential for power since both profiles are proven to make power
01-21-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (EVOL)
I understand what your saying by similar specifications, but the BC4 are in a entirely different region of power potential compared to the skunk2 stage2.
01-21-2005, 06:05 PM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (EVOL)
DonF had this to say:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why would they do that? The bc-4 vtec lobes are sk stg2s , the ex lobe is a Toda C on the primarys. Or atleast that is what my dial indictor said when I degreed them. The Skunk Pro 3 has more duration than either @ .040 so I would guess it would be a new grind.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would say talk to DonF or Tbone to get the skinny.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why would they do that? The bc-4 vtec lobes are sk stg2s , the ex lobe is a Toda C on the primarys. Or atleast that is what my dial indictor said when I degreed them. The Skunk Pro 3 has more duration than either @ .040 so I would guess it would be a new grind.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would say talk to DonF or Tbone to get the skinny.
01-23-2005, 07:44 AM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (b19coupe)
i would also like to know the answer, to this man's question. i'm trying to pick between these two cams, as we speak 
01-23-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (smokey2.0)
The BC4s will have more mid range but the same top end, if the vtec lobes are the same as DONF states. So the BC4s will have more area under the curve.
01-23-2005, 08:29 AM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (EVOL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EVOL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not from what i've seen.</TD></TR></TABLE>
have you tried the comparison yourself on a particular engine combo? what setup did you see this on whether the 2 cam grinds yield a similar curve or not?
have you tried the comparison yourself on a particular engine combo? what setup did you see this on whether the 2 cam grinds yield a similar curve or not?
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01-23-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (JerseySiPOS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JerseySiPOS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
have you tried the comparison yourself on a particular engine combo? what setup did you see this on whether the 2 cam grinds yield a similar curve or not? </TD></TR></TABLE>
uhhhhhhhhhhhh, if i tried myself, i wouldn't have started this thread.
there was a dyno comparison between the bc3+'s and the bc4's, with the bc4's making almost identical midrange but with a whole lot of power in the upper rpm region. skunk2 stage2 has often been said to have an identical grind as the jun 3, and there have been plenty of dyno's of stage2 cams on various setups showing decent midrange and good top end. but i have yet to see a skunk2 stg2 versus bc4.
have you tried the comparison yourself on a particular engine combo? what setup did you see this on whether the 2 cam grinds yield a similar curve or not?
</TD></TR></TABLE>uhhhhhhhhhhhh, if i tried myself, i wouldn't have started this thread.
there was a dyno comparison between the bc3+'s and the bc4's, with the bc4's making almost identical midrange but with a whole lot of power in the upper rpm region. skunk2 stage2 has often been said to have an identical grind as the jun 3, and there have been plenty of dyno's of stage2 cams on various setups showing decent midrange and good top end. but i have yet to see a skunk2 stg2 versus bc4.
01-23-2005, 05:47 PM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (EVOL)
Not really sure if this counts, but Tbone did a dyno pull with the BC4's versus the S2S3's and the BC's KILLED the skunks. I am under the assumption that the S2S2's wouldn't make as much power as the stage 3's......so maybe this answers your question?? 
01-23-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (slo blue)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slo blue »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the BC4's are the way to go. better mid and top end.</TD></TR></TABLE>
actually i've got confirmation that the bc4's will make more midrange/low-end, and the same high end.
thanks donf
actually i've got confirmation that the bc4's will make more midrange/low-end, and the same high end.
thanks donf
01-24-2005, 11:27 AM
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I agree that the BC4's are the way to go. Not only do they have more low/mid power and the same top end hp, but since the transition between the low cam and the high cam is not as dramatic and the s2s2, the bc4 will also have less valvetrain wear which the skunks are known for.
01-24-2005, 03:37 PM
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I noticed that a lot of people are saying the BC4 have the same top end as the skunk2 stage2, but didn't Tbone's dyno make it clear that the BC4 had way more top end then the skunk2 stage2. Does anyone have the measurements of the two different cams where comparing?
01-24-2005, 07:40 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeha I realize that, but wouldn't you think that in a big 2.+ liter motor with 13.6 compression that the stage 3 would make more power than the stage 2?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no.
no.
01-24-2005, 07:50 PM
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Re: (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Explain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ask tbone.
Explain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ask tbone.
01-24-2005, 07:54 PM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (EVOL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EVOL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i'm just going to assume the bigger one has more potential for power since both profiles are proven to make power
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the BC4's have more duration than the S2S2's, take your own advice........
i'm just going to assume the bigger one has more potential for power since both profiles are proven to make power
</TD></TR></TABLE>the BC4's have more duration than the S2S2's, take your own advice........
01-24-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice explanation</TD></TR></TABLE>
explain why you think skunk2 stg3 cams would make more power than their stage 2?? do you know their specs??
what's your explaination: higher stage = more power?
i've seen dyno's where skunk2 stg3's get killed by other cams that have been beaten by skunk2 stg2's.
i said ask tbone didn't i? why, because he has personal experience. so go ask someone who can give you your "nice explaination." go ask tbone. thanks.
explain why you think skunk2 stg3 cams would make more power than their stage 2?? do you know their specs??
what's your explaination: higher stage = more power?
i've seen dyno's where skunk2 stg3's get killed by other cams that have been beaten by skunk2 stg2's.
i said ask tbone didn't i? why, because he has personal experience. so go ask someone who can give you your "nice explaination." go ask tbone. thanks.
01-24-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: skunk2 stage 2 cams versus buddy club 4 cams (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the BC4's have more duration than the S2S2's, take your own advice........</TD></TR></TABLE>
what? more ADVERTISED DURATION? bc's measure their **** at 1mm, skunk2 at 0. that's why i started this thread. so i can get a confirmation and i got that. and more duration doesn't automatically equate to more power.
the BC4's have more duration than the S2S2's, take your own advice........</TD></TR></TABLE>
what? more ADVERTISED DURATION? bc's measure their **** at 1mm, skunk2 at 0. that's why i started this thread. so i can get a confirmation and i got that. and more duration doesn't automatically equate to more power.