What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over???
02-01-2004, 07:14 AM
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What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over???
Little "E" leading the DP at the ROLEX?? Jimmy Johnson and Tony Stewart running there too??? Jeff Gordon and Montoya switching cars for the fun of it???
And Team America with Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson racing in the 2002 Race of Champions ???
Maybe they really, really want to make right hand turns.
And Team America with Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson racing in the 2002 Race of Champions ???
Maybe they really, really want to make right hand turns.
02-01-2004, 07:37 AM
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Re: (phantom_sol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phantom_sol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, i guess you can take only so much **** from the nascar 'drama' maybe its time for some real racing</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or they're getting tired of hearing they can't make right hand turns.
Or they're getting tired of hearing they can't make right hand turns.
02-01-2004, 08:30 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Civic242)
I think it's great. With guys like Boris Said and Scott Pruett showing up to the NASCAR weekends at Sears Point and the Glen, maybe this is a little one-upsmanship?
02-01-2004, 11:51 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (krshultz)
I think it's great, too--more exposure for sports car racing should trickle down to the rest of us. And remember, back in the day, lots of top drivers ran sports cars as well as ovals--Mark Donohue, AJ Foyt, Andretti, etc.
02-01-2004, 01:32 PM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (David S. Wallens)
It's too bad for Dale Jr. and the gang today, they broke the suspension with 20 min. left 'cause the wheel ca,e off?
They were doing so good!
They were doing so good!
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (David S. Wallens)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by David S. Wallens »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it's great, too--more exposure for sports car racing should trickle down to the rest of us. And remember, back in the day, lots of top drivers ran sports cars as well as ovals--Mark Donohue, AJ Foyt, Andretti, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That would be nice. Certainly names like Stewart and Dale Jr in the Rolex 24 Hour can't hurt.
That would be nice. Certainly names like Stewart and Dale Jr in the Rolex 24 Hour can't hurt.
02-02-2004, 03:42 AM
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Re: (phantom_sol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phantom_sol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, i guess you can take only so much **** from the nascar 'drama' maybe its time for some real racing</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah
because NASCAR isn't real racing at all
does anyone realize that Jr. and Stewart were approached by the team to drive?
funny how one of the regular drivers in NASCAR that everyone knows drove open wheel road racing, Robbie Gordon, put his car into the wall early in the race when Dale Jr. was turning some of the fastest laps in the rain
yeah
because NASCAR isn't real racing at alldoes anyone realize that Jr. and Stewart were approached by the team to drive?
funny how one of the regular drivers in NASCAR that everyone knows drove open wheel road racing, Robbie Gordon, put his car into the wall early in the race when Dale Jr. was turning some of the fastest laps in the rain
02-02-2004, 03:48 AM
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Re: (urbanlegend21)
Just ignore the ignorant, man. The fact that the guys who are currently fast in the Nextel cup are among the best drivers in the world - period - doesn't keep people from disparaging stock car racing.
Their skill might have something to do with being able to manage the throttle and, through it, wheelspin on something with way more power than grip. That and RACING a bazillion miles each year while many sports car regulars are sitting by the pool trying to figure out how to spend the bucks that they aren't putting into their racing.
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Their skill might have something to do with being able to manage the throttle and, through it, wheelspin on something with way more power than grip. That and RACING a bazillion miles each year while many sports car regulars are sitting by the pool trying to figure out how to spend the bucks that they aren't putting into their racing.
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02-02-2004, 03:50 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Civic242)
The Grand-am series is owned by Bill France, who also owns NASCAR. So I'm sure he had a little influence over it. You can be sure pigs will fly before any NASCAR boys get to drive in American Lemans (aka Grand-Am's rival)
02-02-2004, 04:59 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (VWkila)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VWkila »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's too bad for Dale Jr. and the gang today, they broke the suspension with 20 min. left 'cause the wheel ca,e off?
They were doing so good!</TD></TR></TABLE>
IIRC they broke the suspension (rr rocker) in the last hour, didn't have time to fixit with only a 1.XX lap lead, limped the car around trying to stay ahead of the eventual winner (running it so low at the RR that the LF tire was off the ground much of the time), then REALLY broke it with like 18 minutes remaining (that's when the suspension snapped and the wheel came off, during braking for the chicane...)
Tony and Dale can flat-out DRIVE. Did anyone else see the part when Tony was chasing people down in the rain, doing 2:01's against other teams' 2:03-2:06 laps?
If it brings more fans to Grand-Am, I'm all for it... and even though I'm not a NASCAR fan, I thought they did a helluva great job (ESPECIALLY in a new car) and I was sorry that they lost - especially in such a dramatic way!
Jon
They were doing so good!</TD></TR></TABLE>
IIRC they broke the suspension (rr rocker) in the last hour, didn't have time to fixit with only a 1.XX lap lead, limped the car around trying to stay ahead of the eventual winner (running it so low at the RR that the LF tire was off the ground much of the time), then REALLY broke it with like 18 minutes remaining (that's when the suspension snapped and the wheel came off, during braking for the chicane...)
Tony and Dale can flat-out DRIVE. Did anyone else see the part when Tony was chasing people down in the rain, doing 2:01's against other teams' 2:03-2:06 laps?
If it brings more fans to Grand-Am, I'm all for it... and even though I'm not a NASCAR fan, I thought they did a helluva great job (ESPECIALLY in a new car) and I was sorry that they lost - especially in such a dramatic way!
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02-02-2004, 05:06 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (getfast)
yep, rr rocker broke. the left rear didn't break, the wheel lug came off. happened several other times in the race, even early in the final stint tony did before the rocker broke.
anybody else think the announcers sucked ***?
how about tony's reaction when the front wheel fell off and later when the suspension broker, and then later still when the left wheel fell off? never blinked. expression didn't change at all. if it weren't for the smoke and noise, you'd think the car was 100%.
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anybody else think the announcers sucked ***?
how about tony's reaction when the front wheel fell off and later when the suspension broker, and then later still when the left wheel fell off? never blinked. expression didn't change at all. if it weren't for the smoke and noise, you'd think the car was 100%.
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02-02-2004, 05:13 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (getfast)
Yes, I too was very bummed for them on the end result. They (the #2 and #9 cars) were a ton of fun to watch (had a kick *** spot to watch from thanks to the IsaacDirect boys) coming out of Intl. Horseshoe. I thought the Nascar guys did a tremendous job and I can't wait to see more of them running these races and the spectators they bring with them.
BTW, I think after this weekend, GM definately has a real good eye on the prize as far as motorsports goes. A Speed GT Caddy, a GAC Caddy (due out later), the Pontiac and Chevy Daytona Prototypes, the introduction of RWD sports coupes for the street market, streamlining their entry in Nascar and so on ... this is a US car manufacturer IMO worth rooting for on all levels of motorsport. And that #10 Pontiac looked like it could just walk the bleep away from the field before they had problems - that seemed to me to be the car to beat.
BTW, I think after this weekend, GM definately has a real good eye on the prize as far as motorsports goes. A Speed GT Caddy, a GAC Caddy (due out later), the Pontiac and Chevy Daytona Prototypes, the introduction of RWD sports coupes for the street market, streamlining their entry in Nascar and so on ... this is a US car manufacturer IMO worth rooting for on all levels of motorsport. And that #10 Pontiac looked like it could just walk the bleep away from the field before they had problems - that seemed to me to be the car to beat.
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (solo-x)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yep, rr rocker broke. the left rear didn't break, the wheel lug came off. happened several other times in the race, even early in the final stint tony did before the rocker broke.</TD></TR></TABLE>
O yeah, that was the LR that broke and put them out, not the already failing RR,
to me, I was taking a peebreak at the time
PS- what was with all those wheels coming off anyway? Happened at least 3 times I can recall...
O yeah, that was the LR that broke and put them out, not the already failing RR,
to me, I was taking a peebreak at the time PS- what was with all those wheels coming off anyway? Happened at least 3 times I can recall...
02-02-2004, 05:15 AM
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over???
yeah, it takes zero skill to turn left...........
once you drive a NAWSSKAR track @ speed you'll understand how good these good 'ole boys are.
once you drive a NAWSSKAR track @ speed you'll understand how good these good 'ole boys are.
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (B18CXr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, it takes zero skill to turn left...........
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Yep.
It appears that everyone you see say that NASCRAP guys can't drive have never actually done something like enter NASCAR #3 at Lowes without lifting. Its not just a matter of *****, you have to know what youre doing. More than a few good road racers have just plain old not been able to do it and are scared to try it again. Now, try doing it at 180mph, 3 wide, in a 3000lb hunk of ****.
Driving? nahhhh. Theres no driving there.
Personally I don't like NASCAR and I hate their fan base (Typically a bunch of ignorant rednecks who just want to see a wreck, Tony Stewart caught some flak last year for actually saying this in a Speed Channel special on his career). But don't hold this against the drivers. Because the sport can be silly sometimes and the fans tend to be ********* doesn't mean the drivers can't drive.
Between JJ and J. Gordon winning the whole nations cup thing (which, keep in mind guys is a RALLY event, something they'd never done before. Think Solberg and M. Martin can come over here and beat Dale Jr and T. Stewart in some NASCAR laps around Lowes???), and these guys continuing to do well when they climb in sports cars (Geoff Bodine drove a prototype in several races last year), I think the whole "NASCRAP guys can't drive" thing needs to be put to rest.
Sure, Fellows, Said, Pruett, etc. keep showing up at road races and doing well. But that is their SPECIALTY. Its what they do, all the time. Don't think for a minute that Dale Jr., Stewart, and Gordon wouldn't be just as fast if all they did was road race all year, every year.
Scott, reminding everyone that Boris is a great driver, but in a couple of years of truck racing rarely even got close to the front of the pack when just turning left. Hmmmm... Why?
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Yep.
It appears that everyone you see say that NASCRAP guys can't drive have never actually done something like enter NASCAR #3 at Lowes without lifting. Its not just a matter of *****, you have to know what youre doing. More than a few good road racers have just plain old not been able to do it and are scared to try it again. Now, try doing it at 180mph, 3 wide, in a 3000lb hunk of ****.
Driving? nahhhh. Theres no driving there.
Personally I don't like NASCAR and I hate their fan base (Typically a bunch of ignorant rednecks who just want to see a wreck, Tony Stewart caught some flak last year for actually saying this in a Speed Channel special on his career). But don't hold this against the drivers. Because the sport can be silly sometimes and the fans tend to be ********* doesn't mean the drivers can't drive.
Between JJ and J. Gordon winning the whole nations cup thing (which, keep in mind guys is a RALLY event, something they'd never done before. Think Solberg and M. Martin can come over here and beat Dale Jr and T. Stewart in some NASCAR laps around Lowes???), and these guys continuing to do well when they climb in sports cars (Geoff Bodine drove a prototype in several races last year), I think the whole "NASCRAP guys can't drive" thing needs to be put to rest.
Sure, Fellows, Said, Pruett, etc. keep showing up at road races and doing well. But that is their SPECIALTY. Its what they do, all the time. Don't think for a minute that Dale Jr., Stewart, and Gordon wouldn't be just as fast if all they did was road race all year, every year.
Scott, reminding everyone that Boris is a great driver, but in a couple of years of truck racing rarely even got close to the front of the pack when just turning left. Hmmmm... Why?
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">had a kick *** spot to watch from thanks to the IsaacDirect boys</TD></TR></TABLE>
Damnit Adam... I wished I'd known you going to be there! I got a last minute call to work with one of the teams that use my software so I was there all weekend.
Damnit Adam... I wished I'd known you going to be there! I got a last minute call to work with one of the teams that use my software so I was there all weekend.
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (sjasmund)
Doh! Argh man, what team were you there with? I pretty much stayed with the Aines/Istook guys from after the GAC race until the Rolex start when I meet up with the Isaac guys up in the stands around 12:30. Dude, I am bummed I missed meeting up with you.
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (getfast)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by getfast »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PS- what was with all those wheels coming off anyway? Happened at least 3 times I can recall...
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my guess is that it probably had something to do with the temperature difference between the new wheel/tire and the rest of the hub assembly. it was happening to a lot of other teams as well, just not quite so spectacularly. that's just my guess though.
what? a high percentage of nascar fans watch the races for no reason other then seeing a crash? no way!!!
my problem with nascar is that you can't really _see_ how talented the guys are. it "looks" easy. the in-car of tony at the rolex was what really impressed me. way smoother then half the other in-car shots of the other drivers. nascar, give me more short tracks and road courses, you'll have yourself another fan.
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my guess is that it probably had something to do with the temperature difference between the new wheel/tire and the rest of the hub assembly. it was happening to a lot of other teams as well, just not quite so spectacularly. that's just my guess though.
what? a high percentage of nascar fans watch the races for no reason other then seeing a crash? no way!!!
my problem with nascar is that you can't really _see_ how talented the guys are. it "looks" easy. the in-car of tony at the rolex was what really impressed me. way smoother then half the other in-car shots of the other drivers. nascar, give me more short tracks and road courses, you'll have yourself another fan.
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (solo-x)
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what? a high percentage of nascar fans watch the races for no reason other then seeing a crash? no way!!!
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This is a trend that is changing very fast. With the total emphasis on safety last season NASCAR has begun to instill in the average fan that racing is more than bumping and wrecking. I do believe when the sport lost Earnhardt senior, fans began to realize that the crashes were hurting the sport.
I am a die hard NASCAR fan. I will probably always be if they stay in their current setup. Racing is racing wether it is ALMS or lawnmowers. Each different aspect takes some sort of advanced skill to win in. I also fully believe that to be the best in one variety will lead to success in another form if you apply your skills right.
Last year Dale Jr. hated road course racing. This year he said he learned more in one lap at speed in the rain then he did in most of his road course racing. Don't think you won't see him, Tony Stewart, and Jimmie Johnson racing at the front at tracks like Sonoma and Watkins Glen.
NASCAR is the series people love to hate because the fan base is easy to look down on. Do you think these "rednecks" look at CART or Indy and go "Look at all those stuck up ******"?
Don't think so. They enjoy and identify with a series that decided to dumb down the the technology and experience so a broader base of consumer can enjoy.
Morgan - dumb redneck who enjoys NASCAR because where else can you party with 500,000 people who all want to have fun and watch good racing
what? a high percentage of nascar fans watch the races for no reason other then seeing a crash? no way!!!
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This is a trend that is changing very fast. With the total emphasis on safety last season NASCAR has begun to instill in the average fan that racing is more than bumping and wrecking. I do believe when the sport lost Earnhardt senior, fans began to realize that the crashes were hurting the sport.
I am a die hard NASCAR fan. I will probably always be if they stay in their current setup. Racing is racing wether it is ALMS or lawnmowers. Each different aspect takes some sort of advanced skill to win in. I also fully believe that to be the best in one variety will lead to success in another form if you apply your skills right.
Last year Dale Jr. hated road course racing. This year he said he learned more in one lap at speed in the rain then he did in most of his road course racing. Don't think you won't see him, Tony Stewart, and Jimmie Johnson racing at the front at tracks like Sonoma and Watkins Glen.
NASCAR is the series people love to hate because the fan base is easy to look down on. Do you think these "rednecks" look at CART or Indy and go "Look at all those stuck up ******"?
Don't think so. They enjoy and identify with a series that decided to dumb down the the technology and experience so a broader base of consumer can enjoy.
Morgan - dumb redneck who enjoys NASCAR because where else can you party with 500,000 people who all want to have fun and watch good racing
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
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I was helping with race strategy and assorted computer related goodies for AASCO Motorsports in SGS.
I think they used up a whole season worth of back luck this weekend. We could have clawed our way back to the podium if it wasn't for the stupid 3 hour "competition yellow" and 2 hour "competition red" that GA threw because the DP's ran out of freakin' rain tires! In the wet we were 10-15 seconds per lap faster than everyone else. Bah!
I was helping with race strategy and assorted computer related goodies for AASCO Motorsports in SGS.
I think they used up a whole season worth of back luck this weekend. We could have clawed our way back to the podium if it wasn't for the stupid 3 hour "competition yellow" and 2 hour "competition red" that GA threw because the DP's ran out of freakin' rain tires! In the wet we were 10-15 seconds per lap faster than everyone else. Bah!
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (sjasmund)
Man, if you were in the paddock during the rush, this is one very small world Scott I was right outside that garage when they were thrashing to get the 16 car back out - we (one of the rental drivers and the crew chief) just happened to meet up one pit down from there (the Audi guys were meeting up so they could head home). At this point, they were struggling with the replacement bumper cover and a driver was grabbing some yellow racers tape out of the war wagon. We were across the paddock space about 15' away (green golf cart). Right as we started to head out, the 17 came by on the tow hook.
I was right outside that garage when they were thrashing to get the 16 car back out - we (one of the rental drivers and the crew chief) just happened to meet up one pit down from there (the Audi guys were meeting up so they could head home). At this point, they were struggling with the replacement bumper cover and a driver was grabbing some yellow racers tape out of the war wagon. We were across the paddock space about 15' away (green golf cart). Right as we started to head out, the 17 came by on the tow hook.
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NASCAR will not penalize driver Jimmy Spencer for a remark about the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor or his hope that Toyota's venture into truck racing will be a failure.
"That's Jimmy Spencer," NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said Sunday when asked about comments the outspoken driver made last week about Toyota's entry into Craftsman Truck competition.
They "bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget," the San Antonio Express-News quoted the 46-year-old driver as saying during media day at Texas Motor Speedway.
"As long as it's good for the economy, I guess it's OK," said Spencer, who added that he was rooting for Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge to humiliate Toyota.
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why don't this here quote surprise me a smidgeon?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jimmy spencer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spencer: They bombed Pearl Harbor
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NASCAR will not penalize driver Jimmy Spencer for a remark about the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor or his hope that Toyota's venture into truck racing will be a failure.
"That's Jimmy Spencer," NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said Sunday when asked about comments the outspoken driver made last week about Toyota's entry into Craftsman Truck competition.
They "bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget," the San Antonio Express-News quoted the 46-year-old driver as saying during media day at Texas Motor Speedway.
"As long as it's good for the economy, I guess it's OK," said Spencer, who added that he was rooting for Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge to humiliate Toyota.
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why don't this here quote surprise me a smidgeon?
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Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (urbanlegend21)
I disagree to an extent Morgan.
I do think that the loss of Dale Sr. brought a whole bunch of people down to earth over the whole smash and wreck thing. But, in the few NASCAR races that I watched last year I still heard a WHOLE BUNCH of folks cheerin' hootin' and hollerin' in the stands whenever there was a wreck. The bigger the crash, the louder the cheers.
This is just unacceptable behavior for any sport. As Tony Stewart said... "You don't even know if that driver is dead or alive in that car and you are cheering the wreck?"
NASCAR fans may not like being called ignorant rednecks and such by fans of other motorsports, but they damned sure seem to have the market cornered for acting like ******** when their drivers smash into something. Want to stop being called ignorant? OK, stop acting ignorant.
Scott, who wonders how much Joe Bob would like it if Dale Jr. and I hung out at his job site and cheered like idiots when the lift broke and dropped a car on his ***.
I do think that the loss of Dale Sr. brought a whole bunch of people down to earth over the whole smash and wreck thing. But, in the few NASCAR races that I watched last year I still heard a WHOLE BUNCH of folks cheerin' hootin' and hollerin' in the stands whenever there was a wreck. The bigger the crash, the louder the cheers.
This is just unacceptable behavior for any sport. As Tony Stewart said... "You don't even know if that driver is dead or alive in that car and you are cheering the wreck?"
NASCAR fans may not like being called ignorant rednecks and such by fans of other motorsports, but they damned sure seem to have the market cornered for acting like ******** when their drivers smash into something. Want to stop being called ignorant? OK, stop acting ignorant.
Scott, who wonders how much Joe Bob would like it if Dale Jr. and I hung out at his job site and cheered like idiots when the lift broke and dropped a car on his ***.