How to make racing even more expensive
12-31-2004, 02:47 PM
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Re: (FlyZlow)
not suprizing this info came out of a french repot, they love to do creative reporting. I personaly think in modern F1 there would be little to no use of the "yaa haa" but who knows, it is the closet drug of the well to do.
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12-31-2004, 02:55 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (speedracer33)
Have you noticed that F1 doesn't have drug scandals like virtually every other professional sport? I think that says something...
12-31-2004, 03:03 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (Angry Joe)
I'll try it next weekend and let you know if it works. 
I have a hard time believing that they do, but that could just be me being hard headed.
I have a hard time believing that they do, but that could just be me being hard headed.
12-31-2004, 03:35 PM
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Re: (Sean O'Gorman)
This thread is a great disappointment to me.
When I saw the title I thought "Oh, goodie, maybe somebody has some helpful hints on how I can spend even more money on my racing".
But instead it's about this.
At the last meeting I was at of "I was once a racer going places", there was near universal agreement that getting high didn't help a single one of us. We clearly (?) recall thinking we were having a good time at the time, but nobody expressed a desire to do it all over again.
Then again, you don't get to be old and wise without passing thru young and stupid. I now only allow the occassional bottle of wine with dinner with Mrs Rinde to interfere with my transition from stupid to wise. Sometimes when I tell her what I'm doing and spending she tells me that I'm not there yet.
Scott, who thinks life is very good without chemical additives...Have a safe and Happy New Year you fOO's...
When I saw the title I thought "Oh, goodie, maybe somebody has some helpful hints on how I can spend even more money on my racing".
But instead it's about this.
At the last meeting I was at of "I was once a racer going places", there was near universal agreement that getting high didn't help a single one of us. We clearly (?) recall thinking we were having a good time at the time, but nobody expressed a desire to do it all over again.
Then again, you don't get to be old and wise without passing thru young and stupid. I now only allow the occassional bottle of wine with dinner with Mrs Rinde to interfere with my transition from stupid to wise. Sometimes when I tell her what I'm doing and spending she tells me that I'm not there yet.
Scott, who thinks life is very good without chemical additives...Have a safe and Happy New Year you fOO's...
12-31-2004, 03:40 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (DMF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DMF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll try it next weekend and let you know if it works.
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Aww ****, now I don't stand a chance...
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Aww ****, now I don't stand a chance...
12-31-2004, 03:43 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (travis)
travis you just have to take a 3 hour trip down to mexico...i'm sure you can find all you can sell
12-31-2004, 03:47 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (travis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aww ****, now I don't stand a chance...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't worry I have enough of a supply to share with you..
Don't worry I have enough of a supply to share with you..
12-31-2004, 04:45 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (sans)
i loved the mr2 i once drove....could drift that thing on command!
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12-31-2004, 05:00 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (chad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i loved the mr2 i once drove....could drift that thing on command!</TD></TR></TABLE>
As an MR2 owner, I'm definitely not disagreeing with you on that one, but what does that have to do with cocaine?
As an MR2 owner, I'm definitely not disagreeing with you on that one, but what does that have to do with cocaine?
12-31-2004, 09:06 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (chad)
Any of you doods old enough to remember racers John Paul and John Paul Jr? I don't think they used drugs, but they sold a lot of it to finance their IMSA effort in the 1980s....and did time for it.
12-31-2004, 09:19 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (Track rat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any of you doods old enough to remember racers John Paul and John Paul Jr? I don't think they used drugs, but they sold a lot of it to finance their IMSA effort in the 1980s....and did time for it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't forget the Whittingtons...
IMSA in the 80s =
International
Marijuana
Smuggling
Agency
Don't forget the Whittingtons...
IMSA in the 80s =
International
Marijuana
Smuggling
Agency
12-31-2004, 09:29 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (Sean O'Gorman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O’Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Don't forget the Whittingtons...
IMSA in the 80s =
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I think they ran some CART races too wit dat drug money.
C oke
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R efer
T o supplement our sponsorship
Don't forget the Whittingtons...
IMSA in the 80s =
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I think they ran some CART races too wit dat drug money.
C oke
A and
R efer
T o supplement our sponsorship
01-01-2005, 05:51 AM
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Don't forget Randy Lanier!
For those who aren't familiar with him, he was another IMSA/CART driver from the 80s who was using his powerboat racing operation to smuggle drugs. When he suspected the feds were onto him, he got plastic surgery, and then fled to Puerto Rico. I guess no one bothered to tell him tht Puerto Rico is American soil.
Randy is currently serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
For those who aren't familiar with him, he was another IMSA/CART driver from the 80s who was using his powerboat racing operation to smuggle drugs. When he suspected the feds were onto him, he got plastic surgery, and then fled to Puerto Rico. I guess no one bothered to tell him tht Puerto Rico is American soil.
Randy is currently serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
01-01-2005, 11:28 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (SJR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SJR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here's a link to the article in French. I don't know where Matt has an english version. The doc used to work for the Scuderia and now works for Alfa Romeo. The article also mentions at the end that no F1 driver has ever failed a drug test (but does not specify what drugs they test for...)
http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/041231/6/53vc.html</TD></TR></TABLE>
its all about the google translator
http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/041231/6/53vc.html</TD></TR></TABLE>
its all about the google translator
01-02-2005, 03:52 AM
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From a very much older and wiser me--Grandpa has been there and done a bit of that too. Back in the early 60's (that's correct folks) some of us would gather daily at the watering hole for much more than we should have imbibed in (3.2 in DC at that time). Have you ever driven on the street not knowing where you were going-don't do it!! It is not pretty and even if you are not caught-you have endangered a lot of people. The stupid college kid/me-NEVER drove his race car after one of these sessions; always sober/wallflower at the track. At least I was wising up. Yes-grandpa has an ocassional glass of fermented stuff for dinner too.
It is true that there are professional drivers that abuse things. The fact is that we have a few driving cars while injured and they are doing more than just toughing it out. At least they use things under the guidance of medical personnel-and are tested on top of that. Back when-before 1990-policing was not what it has become. I do not accept the idea that anyone in such a high profile position driving one of the twitchiest machines ever devised would be so dumb to abuse his body and be willing to risk whatever he or she already has. Bubbly after the race-sure.
I am not saying that there has never been abuse of controlled substances by people in our sport. It is when and how the substance, let alone which one, is used. Does anyone object to a Tylenol for general pain? I am not in favor of anyone being on track with any sedative used for surgery in their systems for at least 24 hours before an event. It is the controlled stuff that should worry all of us. Makes it hard to get sponsors too for our grassroots efforts-if they perceive that we spend their money on things such as $$@#!@$. Did I mention that there is a rampant rumor about airline pilots-yes they drink. The rules say that they cannot be at the controls for a specific number of hours after drinking-is it policed, good question? They do control the fate of far more people than our sport can impact in an accident generally.
The doctor seems to have gotten his 15 seconds of fame in print. It would have been nice to have the article prefaced as to the time frame rather than a broad generality.
Happy New Year.
It is true that there are professional drivers that abuse things. The fact is that we have a few driving cars while injured and they are doing more than just toughing it out. At least they use things under the guidance of medical personnel-and are tested on top of that. Back when-before 1990-policing was not what it has become. I do not accept the idea that anyone in such a high profile position driving one of the twitchiest machines ever devised would be so dumb to abuse his body and be willing to risk whatever he or she already has. Bubbly after the race-sure.
I am not saying that there has never been abuse of controlled substances by people in our sport. It is when and how the substance, let alone which one, is used. Does anyone object to a Tylenol for general pain? I am not in favor of anyone being on track with any sedative used for surgery in their systems for at least 24 hours before an event. It is the controlled stuff that should worry all of us. Makes it hard to get sponsors too for our grassroots efforts-if they perceive that we spend their money on things such as $$@#!@$. Did I mention that there is a rampant rumor about airline pilots-yes they drink. The rules say that they cannot be at the controls for a specific number of hours after drinking-is it policed, good question? They do control the fate of far more people than our sport can impact in an accident generally.
The doctor seems to have gotten his 15 seconds of fame in print. It would have been nice to have the article prefaced as to the time frame rather than a broad generality.
Happy New Year.
01-02-2005, 07:00 AM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (Sean O'Gorman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O’Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMSA in the 80s =
International
Marijuana
Smuggling
Agency</TD></TR></TABLE>
My favorite reference from the time was that IMSA GTP stood for "Grand Touring Pharmaceutical".
I still have an original Press Kit from the John Paul Jr. and Sr.'s Porsche 935 IMSA race team, funny that it doesn't reference their primary income source on their Fact Sheet.
International
Marijuana
Smuggling
Agency</TD></TR></TABLE>
My favorite reference from the time was that IMSA GTP stood for "Grand Touring Pharmaceutical".
I still have an original Press Kit from the John Paul Jr. and Sr.'s Porsche 935 IMSA race team, funny that it doesn't reference their primary income source on their Fact Sheet.
01-02-2005, 07:38 AM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (speedracer33)
ohh man i want to jump into this thread but i can already see it. gr now tells ppl driving while high is the ****... hahaha.
i've gotten high before and lets just say i've exprienced some really INSANE physical stuff. i was moving my body like i had control of every single little muscle. believe it or not the original poster's post doesn't shock me. i actually believe it is possible something like that (some sort of stimulant might be used).
i've gotten high before and lets just say i've exprienced some really INSANE physical stuff. i was moving my body like i had control of every single little muscle. believe it or not the original poster's post doesn't shock me. i actually believe it is possible something like that (some sort of stimulant might be used).
01-02-2005, 07:50 AM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (ghettoracer)
Probably wouldn't actually enhance performance, but might give the driver the perception of enhanced performance. Would give the driver huge confidence and remove fear...right before the huge mistake.
01-02-2005, 12:41 PM
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Re: How to make racing even more expensive (Track rat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... but might give the driver the perception of enhanced performance. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I think this is the key, the driver's altered state makes him think he is doing better than he really is.
I worked with Valvoline during their big "Say No to Drugs" push in the early '90s when Al Unser Jr. and David Rosenbloom travelled around giving anti-drug messages to youth. Rosenbloom spoke as a racer who had come back from the wrong side of drugs and established ICY (Inner City Youth) Racing as a program to get kids off the streets and drugs and into racetracks. Rosenbloom regularly talked about racing at the lower end pro levels while using drugs and thinking he was doing well and being in control but the real results were not there. He was also frittering away his family's business money on it as well.
I think this is the key, the driver's altered state makes him think he is doing better than he really is.
I worked with Valvoline during their big "Say No to Drugs" push in the early '90s when Al Unser Jr. and David Rosenbloom travelled around giving anti-drug messages to youth. Rosenbloom spoke as a racer who had come back from the wrong side of drugs and established ICY (Inner City Youth) Racing as a program to get kids off the streets and drugs and into racetracks. Rosenbloom regularly talked about racing at the lower end pro levels while using drugs and thinking he was doing well and being in control but the real results were not there. He was also frittering away his family's business money on it as well.
01-02-2005, 02:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not suprizing this info came out of a french repot, they love to do creative reporting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I almost choked reading this crap. Considering the rampant sensationalism that is ALL OVER the US media, you have a large pair of brass ***** my friend.
And, BTW, the article was kinda tongue-in-cheek. After quoting the first bozo, it goes on to quote other experts saying that it makes sense that they would use coke since it tends to exacerbate the megalomaniacal side of people. It boosts their ego, in shorter words. The article concludes by saying that no F1 pilot has failed a drug test yet.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the frenchies would rather make love with their mouth.....
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Well, Chad, since every other woman I have been with in the states has complained about how selfish her previous lovers were, I suspect we may know something that you don't
Modified by SJR at 6:42 PM 1/2/2005
I almost choked reading this crap. Considering the rampant sensationalism that is ALL OVER the US media, you have a large pair of brass ***** my friend.
And, BTW, the article was kinda tongue-in-cheek. After quoting the first bozo, it goes on to quote other experts saying that it makes sense that they would use coke since it tends to exacerbate the megalomaniacal side of people. It boosts their ego, in shorter words. The article concludes by saying that no F1 pilot has failed a drug test yet.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the frenchies would rather make love with their mouth.....
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Well, Chad, since every other woman I have been with in the states has complained about how selfish her previous lovers were, I suspect we may know something that you don't
Modified by SJR at 6:42 PM 1/2/2005
01-02-2005, 03:57 PM
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Re: (SJR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SJR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> After quoting the first bozo, it goes on to quote other experts saying that it makes sense that they would use coke since it tends to exacerbate the megalomaniacal side of people. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That reminds me of an old program from the great American philosopher Bill Cosby who said that coke just served to magnify the existing personality, thus the nice guys got nicer, the mean guys got meaner and ******** just became bigger ********. The stand-up philosopher George Carlin said it just made you want to go out and paint the garage.
That reminds me of an old program from the great American philosopher Bill Cosby who said that coke just served to magnify the existing personality, thus the nice guys got nicer, the mean guys got meaner and ******** just became bigger ********. The stand-up philosopher George Carlin said it just made you want to go out and paint the garage.
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I wouldn't put it past professional athletes.
Jan Ullrich, better known as road cycling's eternally second best, was guilty of doing X last year. Marco Pantani, one of the more colorful folk, died of a Cocaine overdose this past March. Gilberto Simoni has also been suspected of applying the powdered sunscreen.
EPO use is huge. For the performance benefits, of course.
Athletes do stupid things, just like us.
Jan Ullrich, better known as road cycling's eternally second best, was guilty of doing X last year. Marco Pantani, one of the more colorful folk, died of a Cocaine overdose this past March. Gilberto Simoni has also been suspected of applying the powdered sunscreen.
EPO use is huge. For the performance benefits, of course.
Athletes do stupid things, just like us.