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I read many thread last spring about douing the poorman 5 lugs conversion... Right now I heve the common 4 x 100 set up... I have start a tread in the brake suspension forum but had no answer... Maybe you guys can help... I could put my hand on a set of 2 rear trailing arm 4x114 for cheap and after just bought 5x114 hub. But Im not sure if this gen had the same brake as the 5x114 type R set up in the back. Is it a direct swap?
The poorman 5 lug dosent upgrade the brake so Im wondering if the 4 x 114 does...?
Sorry I should specify... It s dc2 gsr 96 with a k swap. But all suspension is gsr... Front and rear... Exept that I run the typeR caliper, brackets and mini cooper rotor up front. Rear is stock.
yeah I know but I took so much time in the brake/suspension thread... Now I don't know how to delete it in the other forum... I should post it here at first! Sorry...
But... You guys didn't answer my question... I know it's a direct bolt on... What I want to know is if they (4x114 and 5x114) share the exact same rear brake rotors, calipers...( 10.25 and same offset)? In other words, will swapping the 4 x114 will also provide me rear type R brake? Cause in the front, the 4x114 typeR are GSR size (10.3)....
Also is the rear USDM hub/bearing will fit in the back in case you ll have a worn bearing?
From what I remember, yes. The rear setup is the same from 4x114 to 5x114. I recall a HUGE post about every hub, caliper and bracket, and rotor for every Honda and what could fit what. Let me see if I can dig it up.
From what I remember, yes. The rear setup is the same from 4x114 to 5x114. I recall a HUGE post about every hub, caliper and bracket, and rotor for every Honda and what could fit what. Let me see if I can dig it up.
Your the man if you find the link! I'll dig on my side too!
Personally I think going 4x114.3 is going to make life difficult on a track car that is going to be consuming hard to come by hubs. I would just spend the extra money up front and go to the 5 lug setup.
Then again, you don't NEED to leave 4x100 to go to the larger brakes, why not just stay with that?
Well I have two thing that stop me being faster right now... Brakes and grip... I guess I'm nor the only one! lol!
To get more grip, I need to go 17'' 235/245/255...Right now I'm running on 15x8 with 225/45... But for gearing purpose (I run 4-5 differents tracks) I'd like to keep a set of 15'' for cheap and easy gearing purpose... I Lap a lot but I'm also competing in Time Attack and AutoX with this particulary car....
Now the brakes... I used to run the SRV Prelude redrill rotors on a upgrade itr set up but it's pita to send these to the machine shop to get them redrill all the time... Then I change for the Mini Cooper set up and I even fab some nice cooling duct... It's better but all the rotors for prelude and mini now are so cheap now that they crack really fast... To much heat and poor China iron alloy combination...
That leads me doing some search about a brakes upgrade but keeping in mind that I'd like to keep them fit under 15''...
From what I have found with a friend of mine that own a race shop, not much bbk fit under 15''... I have a couple of friend that have run the Wilwood set up but most of them complaint about calipers flex or pads sticking... Spoon are so expensive... I've look for other brand like AP, Rotora, Stoptech....Most of them require 17''...
Fastbrakes seems to have some interesting alternatives but there's no email to reach them on their site only phone plus it's all custom stuff and you have to buy from them after and they're not cheap either... plus the shipping to Canada is expensive and other thing... taxes, customs fees... On the long run... I don't think it's worth it...
That's why I start thinking about keeping my itr calipers witch are monoblock and are giving steady feels all the time... But I need bettter rotors quality (heatsink)... I rarely feel fade... just going through rotors like butter! That why I thougt about type R 5bolts upgrade... Not only will I have acces to better choice of rotors (like DBA), but I would upgrade the rear brakes too by the same time and get access to a lot more quality wheels choice in 5x114... 17x8/17x9...compare to custom made style 4x100...
If I remember it's combination of Nascar type PF calipers, custom brackets, wilwood hats and DBA flotting discs if my memory's good... Fit under 15'' wheels... theses are 12 1/8'' and more than a inch thick!
Saw that thread, pretty cool setup. A ton of brakes for a little car.
Originally Posted by maxogsr
Well I have two thing that stop me being faster right now... Brakes and grip... I guess I'm nor the only one! lol!
To get more grip, I need to go 17'' 235/245/255...Right now I'm running on 15x8 with 225/45... But for gearing purpose (I run 4-5 differents tracks) I'd like to keep a set of 15'' for cheap and easy gearing purpose... I Lap a lot but I'm also competing in Time Attack and AutoX with this particulary car....
Now the brakes... I used to run the SRV Prelude redrill rotors on a upgrade itr set up but it's pita to send these to the machine shop to get them redrill all the time... Then I change for the Mini Cooper set up and I even fab some nice cooling duct... It's better but all the rotors for prelude and mini now are so cheap now that they crack really fast... To much heat and poor China iron alloy combination...
That leads me doing some search about a brakes upgrade but keeping in mind that I'd like to keep them fit under 15''...
From what I have found with a friend of mine that own a race shop, not much bbk fit under 15''... I have a couple of friend that have run the Wilwood set up but most of them complaint about calipers flex or pads sticking... Spoon are so expensive... I've look for other brand like AP, Rotora, Stoptech....Most of them require 17''...
Fastbrakes seems to have some interesting alternatives but there's no email to reach them on their site only phone plus it's all custom stuff and you have to buy from them after and they're not cheap either... plus the shipping to Canada is expensive and other thing... taxes, customs fees... On the long run... I don't think it's worth it...
That's why I start thinking about keeping my itr calipers witch are monoblock and are giving steady feels all the time... But I need bettter rotors quality (heatsink)... I rarely feel fade... just going through rotors like butter! That why I thougt about type R 5bolts upgrade... Not only will I have acces to better choice of rotors (like DBA), but I would upgrade the rear brakes too by the same time and get access to a lot more quality wheels choice in 5x114... 17x8/17x9...compare to custom made style 4x100...
Yep, you're on the right track then. You might also want to look into CR-V knuckles, it's a cheaper way to swap on the fronts and you get the larger axles to go with the K. You also get a slightly larger wheel bearing, which is never a bad thing, and the replacement hubs are less expensive than the ITR ones. I just picked up a set a couple of weeks ago, off of a still driveable (Until then!) CR-V at the local junkyard for $100:
Ever heard of the MG Rover ZR160 rotors brake set up for the 4x100 hubs?
I found a tread on wiki egcivic site (in french) that claim that some guys in Europe has fit them on their car... 282mm diameter / 25mm thick/ 4x100/ 64.1 bore... apparently it's a direct bolt on... That could be a cheapo alternative for now... I'm reading about this this morning...sounds good...
Also Is the CRV nuckle are exactly the same as the ITR exept for bearing size? I'm curious to know what axles are you running on that 36mm hub? For now mine are custom... 36 inner and 32 out...
I've read in the past about some of the Euro guys using a Rover rotor, but it seems you're going back down the road of a hard-to-find or special order rotor again.
CR-V knuckle is a direct bolt on for 92-95 Civic/ 94-01 Integra. It's the same geometry as the original, supposedly the same knuckle as the 98+ JDM ITR but I haven't seen a side-by-side to confirm.
Planning to order a set of axles for mine from Raxles with the correct outer.
You are right... It's just that I found it interesting the 1'' thick rotors... plus from what I've read it's direct bolt on... But again on the long run, I don't think it worth it!
Really good to know for the front crv knuckle? What years?
What are you doing for the back? the poorman 5 lugs set up?
Oh and the pics you post on the other thread of the 4 and 5 lugs... Is the 4 is the 4x100 or 4x114?
1" thick rotors can be used by using legend rotors and caliper brackets (25T) iirc. If you still need more heat capacity, NSX will take you up to a 28mm with the rotor and bracket. It's been a long time since I looked at all of that, but I think you can retain the ITR caliper with those other options. Anyone else feel free to correct me.
Any first gen CR-V will work, they are all the same. It was a big bonus that they left the calipers on, I disassembled my other ones to rebuild and they had soaked up some moisture at some point and were pitted to the point where they were only good for cores. These ones will clean up with a quick blast and get rebuilt.
For the rear, I picked up and shelved a set of loaded CTR spindles a few years back. I knew I was going to go down this road whenever I got back on the coupe so it was an investment in my future. Finally started mocking up a couple weekends ago (shock is just there to hold the car up until I get whatever I decide to run):
Rotors, pads, and cables are going on this week, pending me not working 13 hour days:
Car is a long term project, but I need to get it rolling so I can start looking for a new job in earnest. Not going to find anything interesting locally and don't feel like dragging the car out on a skid if/when it's time to move.
Sorry I didn't caption the other pics, the shorter one is the typical 4x100 and the longer one is the 4x114.3. I never actually tried the "poor-man" swap, it makes me a little nervous honestly. I was kinda hoping you'd have your hands on a 4x114.3 spindle to measure, it would be awesome if they are usable with the five lug hubs. Those entire swaps cost about what the rear spindles cost me!
Yeah, I know about the other oem big brake set up... But none of them fit 15'' wheels...
Your gonna have a nice set up.
I've read a lot about conversion this week... Saw a couple of your posts... usefull info but can you believe that I couldt'n found no one that though on upgrading their 4x114 to 5x114? I should have name my tread ''is 5x114 usdm itr rear hub/bearing can be fit on the 4x114 96 jdm itr rear one's to do a conversion?'' I think I'm gonna try that! tks for helping!
09-29-2014, 06:40 AM
4x 114 to 5x 114 direct bolt on?
