My 69 Camaro SS project
12-17-2009, 07:47 AM
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Re: My 69 Camaro SS project
Obviously someone ordered the car with green interior and gold exterior. People go nuts for rare combinations, and yours certainly would be one of those. All the more reason to put it back to as stock as possible, especially with a numbers matching engine.
An SS 396 numbers matching car is rare. Just seems somewhat ashamed to ruin it with non OEM paint and funky looking 19" wheels that don't really look correct on a car from the late 60's.
It's not like the car is a basket-case--you actually have a very good frame and chassis. I know it is something that you want to do, but that car would be worth 10x more (literally) if you go with an OEM or close to OEM resto.
There are plenty of other bodies out there that aren't true 396 cars. Just buy one of those if you want to go wild.
An SS 396 numbers matching car is rare. Just seems somewhat ashamed to ruin it with non OEM paint and funky looking 19" wheels that don't really look correct on a car from the late 60's.
It's not like the car is a basket-case--you actually have a very good frame and chassis. I know it is something that you want to do, but that car would be worth 10x more (literally) if you go with an OEM or close to OEM resto.
There are plenty of other bodies out there that aren't true 396 cars. Just buy one of those if you want to go wild.
Maybe he's more concerned with having a car exactly how he want's so he can drive it and enjoy it, rather than being worried with the eventual resale value. It's not like 1st gen camaros are that rare, anyway, even if it was restored to original specs without being a COPO/Yenko/ZL1/etc.
10x more? I could probably get 20K easy for a nicely resto-modded true SS with a #s matching 396. You really think a gold-green all original spec car is selling for $200k?
12-17-2009, 07:49 AM
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I'm sure if he decided to sell it, and the guy he sold it to wanted gold on green, the guy who bought it could repaint the car and redo the interior.
12-17-2009, 07:55 AM
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With all the history his car has I doubt he will want to sell it. Build it how you want it. My Nova came with light gold paint a brown vinyl top and white interior. I got rid of that quick LOL!
12-17-2009, 11:16 PM
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12-18-2009, 12:43 AM
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The original 396 with a mild build. It should be good for around 400 hp. At this point we're planning on using the original Muncie 4 spd (rebuilt recently). If I have the money later I'd like to consider a modern 5 or 6 spd. It'll have a Ford 9" rear end with a Detroit locker.
I'm still not sure if I will be able to buy a better brake kit or not. Again...it's something that I can change later.
I'm still not sure if I will be able to buy a better brake kit or not. Again...it's something that I can change later.
12-18-2009, 05:09 AM
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Maybe he's more concerned with having a car exactly how he want's so he can drive it and enjoy it, rather than being worried with the eventual resale value. It's not like 1st gen camaros are that rare, anyway, even if it was restored to original specs without being a COPO/Yenko/ZL1/etc.
10x more? I could probably get 20K easy for a nicely resto-modded true SS with a #s matching 396. You really think a gold-green all original spec car is selling for $200k?
10x more? I could probably get 20K easy for a nicely resto-modded true SS with a #s matching 396. You really think a gold-green all original spec car is selling for $200k?
I doubt you could get $20K for that car once it was done. Not with this economy. However, $50K+ for an all original numbers-matching SS 396 is certainly a possibility, if it was restored somewhat correctly.
I dunno, I just couldn't throw away that much money on something that has the potential to be that valuable. Those old cars are fun to drive, but they will never have the handling of a modern car. They can be extremely fast, but so can anything else.
I tend to appreciate a good stock or cleanly modded muscle car for what it is, rather than trying to make it into something that it can never be.
12-18-2009, 07:18 AM
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It can handle significantly better than stock and be a much more fun car to drive. The OP doesn't want a gold and green stock car on bias ply tires, just like his father, the original owner apparently didn't. A bunch of rich old geezers evaluating cars like they would real estate derivatives or mutual funds. All this obsession of originality is exactly what is wrong with the muscle car scene. They were meant to be driven, not left in storage and driven 4 mph to the occasional car show. God knows the Camaro scene is already saturated with enough of this bullshit, let the OP have his fun and stick to Barrett Jackson.
12-18-2009, 07:32 AM
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All this obsession of originality is exactly what is wrong with the muscle car scene. They were meant to be driven, not left in storage and driven 4 mph to the occasional car show. God knows the Camaro scene is already saturated with enough of this bullshit, let the OP have his fun and stick to Barrett Jackson.
I wonder how much more affordble the average clean muscle car would be if it weren't for those televised Barret-Jackson auctions. Just becuase some redneck saw a '67 Z/28 go for 6 figures on TV, does not make his 327/powerglide rotted out camaro suddenly worth $15k. A few years ago (granted, when the economy was better), I was looking at early 1970s Novas, and guys were asking $9k for cars with no disc/power brakes, no power steering, iron-headed smallblocks, and paint jobs covering obvious bondo and rust bubbles.
12-18-2009, 08:56 AM
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03-15-2010, 09:54 PM
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Re: My 69 Camaro SS project
Not yet...I wish. The bodyshop took a little longer than expected. Isn't that the story with most bodyshops though. 
The good news....I'm getting the SS back from the bodyshop this week. All of the tough bodywork has been done and the car is probably 90% ready for paint. My father and I have decided to do some of the painting of the car's engine bay, undercarriage and interior ourselves and begin assembly. After that we'll get some quotes and then it will be painted by a different shop. It'll be nice to get to working it on our own again.
I went to the World of Wheels car show here this last weekend which was motivating.
I'll be sure to post some pics of the continued progress. Stay tuned...
The good news....I'm getting the SS back from the bodyshop this week. All of the tough bodywork has been done and the car is probably 90% ready for paint. My father and I have decided to do some of the painting of the car's engine bay, undercarriage and interior ourselves and begin assembly. After that we'll get some quotes and then it will be painted by a different shop. It'll be nice to get to working it on our own again.
I went to the World of Wheels car show here this last weekend which was motivating.
I'll be sure to post some pics of the continued progress. Stay tuned...
03-15-2010, 10:49 PM
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I wonder how much more affordble the average clean muscle car would be if it weren't for those televised Barret-Jackson auctions. Just becuase some redneck saw a '67 Z/28 go for 6 figures on TV, does not make his 327/powerglide rotted out camaro suddenly worth $15k. A few years ago (granted, when the economy was better), I was looking at early 1970s Novas, and guys were asking $9k for cars with no disc/power brakes, no power steering, iron-headed smallblocks, and paint jobs covering obvious bondo and rust bubbles.
I wonder how much more affordble the average clean muscle car would be if it weren't for those televised Barret-Jackson auctions. Just becuase some redneck saw a '67 Z/28 go for 6 figures on TV, does not make his 327/powerglide rotted out camaro suddenly worth $15k. A few years ago (granted, when the economy was better), I was looking at early 1970s Novas, and guys were asking $9k for cars with no disc/power brakes, no power steering, iron-headed smallblocks, and paint jobs covering obvious bondo and rust bubbles.
probably should have kept that car...
05-25-2010, 03:27 PM
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Long overdue...but I figured I'd update the thread for the few of you here that are interested.
We're getting a few quotes for paint work. In the meantime we've got a lot of work to do. Here's some pics from the big move out of the bodyshop (I just wanted to take some pics with my new camera). It was great to see the SS in natural light again.
The Muncie 4 spd has been rebuilt and is ready to go. We would've preferred a modern 5 or 6 spd.
Fitting the rear end and rear wheel/tire. Horrible quality because I used my camera phone (forgot my camera). It's kind of difficult to determine whether or not you're going to need lowering blocks at this point.
We're getting a few quotes for paint work. In the meantime we've got a lot of work to do. Here's some pics from the big move out of the bodyshop (I just wanted to take some pics with my new camera).
It was great to see the SS in natural light again. The Muncie 4 spd has been rebuilt and is ready to go. We would've preferred a modern 5 or 6 spd.
Fitting the rear end and rear wheel/tire. Horrible quality because I used my camera phone (forgot my camera). It's kind of difficult to determine whether or not you're going to need lowering blocks at this point.
05-25-2010, 03:57 PM
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Re: My 69 Camaro SS project
Awesome project. My dad had a '69 SS396 4-speed vert Camaro for a long time, went through a couple phases just like yours.
Sold it back in the 80's.......
Sold it back in the 80's.......
