LowNSlowDelSol

sorry if im posting in the wrong place first of all. first time ever using a forum. or well posting in one. so im confused about where to post haha but any who i know a little bit about swaps. but im just really looking for solid advice from ppl who actually have experience with some of these motors in their similar cars.

im looking for pros and con of all the b-series swap vs the h22a

so far im leaning towards a b20 high comp or a h22a

but my only draw back is that the h22a is a lot bigger than any b series so fitting it in my del sol will be tough for someone who doesnt know a single thing about tools, electrical, mechanical issue etc. i just read alot of stuff but no actual hands on experience. with that being said.
also my del sol is slam'd on some f/f 1 coilovers and some ppl told me since my car is so slam'd a h22 in it wouldnt be safe and i'd end up losing my oil pan somewhere in the streets of LA hahaha but that 220hp in a del sol just sounds like a real monster house stock


im trying to have this done in 2 months tops. my budget is roughly 1500 - 2200 cap dont wanna over spend needa save. but if i could find a great deal on a h22a swap then i might recalculate my budget hahaha. just all depends.
i cant do the labor myself cuz i dont know how. so i would have to pay someone to do it. unless someone here on h-t lives near my area and isnt trying to hustle me like the shop and do a fair quote and is actually legit.
i'd either pay in cash or just give my prevous engine+tranny as payment
which ever works best.

this car is currently my dd and i would like it to keep it as my dd. i would like to make it na. but will leave it bone stock till im ready to lightly mod it.

im really looking into b18 vs b20b/z
cause there the cheapest and idk i like the torque over the b16a

but then again i never own'd any civic with any of these motors but most of you out there have. so which would be the best bang for my buck with my 1500-2200 budget keep in mind i would like to make this swap happen sometime around valentines day. the wife loves driving fast. and the sol just feels like a go cart.

idk how much hp i want tbh. but i know i just wanna be able to keep up with 350z g35 etc and smash on em if i could with minor mods. no s/c or t/c yet just cam gears i/h/e


just wondering but saying if in the end i decide to get a h22a instead. would you be 100% certain that the h22a in my sol with 220hp keep up with 350z g35 easy? over the b18 - b20 stock. no mods




and lastly if any of you are knowledgeable about swaps. and do swaps at home for a decent price. lmk wassup. i'd like to get this show on the road already hahaha


would anyone be interested in a ZC with a S20 tranny as payment for helping me swap drop bolt which ever motor into my sol. thanks in advance


and also i forgot to mention ac is kinda a must. if i get any B-series motor but if i aim for the h22a. then idk if i could keep the ac. i would really like it but i dont mind giving it up. power steering on the other hand is not a problem as i love no power steering haha.

what is a average or resonable price for a full b20 swap? say gsr tranny + B20 high comp axle, ecu, what kinda harness? and good motor mounts? i'd prefer quality parts over knock offs.

im located near riverside ca

any other vital information need please lmk asap so i can have a solid decision on which motor i purchase. also if anyone here is selling one of these specific motors i ask'd for in good condition and can provide proof. then that would make my engine shoping experience easier haha if not im just looking into h motors cause alot of ppl here would say hmotors is legit. *says GOOGLE* lol


any help would be highly appreciated thanks in advance

doctorake

You are in Cali, are you worried about the legality of your swap?

LowNSlowDelSol

Tbh yes. But what are the chances of getting pulled over and the cop asking me to pop my hood.

doctorake

Well when you go for smog you will be screwed also. I would look into how to BAR a b series. See what you need to do to get it to pass the BAR exam and then decide if a swap is really for you.

LowNSlowDelSol

I don't needa worry about smog gotta friend who will pass me no matter what

LowNSlowDelSol

I'm just looking for the most suitable swap within my budget any info would help thanks

3rdtimecharmer

where does your friend live,. i need to pass as well :]

but hm

b20 is basically bored out b18 LS motor. B16 would be ok, the B18 wuuld give u a little more pick up i would think and the H22 is good but will take a little customization to fit the chassis.

b series would be easier swap for u if u get the same year that matches your car.


currently doing f20B (destroked h22) in my integra and had to bang the fram rail in couple spots to get it to fit. its a big motor. also i had to change couple things to convert it to OBD1, my f20B is OBD2.

its a good alternative to a k series swap because of power and the pricing is good. spent about $1500 so far oppose to the $6k+ swap price for a k series.

with the h22 route, you will not be able to keep AC or PS. doesnt fit haha..


hmotorsonline.com is a great place to look. a little bit pricey but their motors are very reliable and they back them up with a 30 day start up warrenty.

thts where i bought my swap..
I CAN POINT YOU TO SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP WITH A SWAP. KNOWS ELECTRICAL, HAS ALL TOOLS NEEDED. GRINDER, CUTTER, HAMMERS, KNOWLEDGE, AND A CHERRY PICKER.

also, you can get a h22 to BAR into a del sol if you tried.

good luck!
keep researching, knowledge is you friend.

LowNSlowDelSol

Sweet dude! Well my friend is in Rialto ca. He owns a shop to hell pass me for around 150. And yea I REALLY want the h over every thing but the fabrication was also a major factor. And would it be possible to swap everything in for roughly 2500? And would that be complete or will i need some other things before I can drive it?

But if im getting a h22. What shift linkage would I need? Cuz I know for the b series I can't get regular integra. I need sol vtec model b shift linkage which is a lol longer
So h linkage off of????? Lol sry for noobish questions

Who's ur friend I'm in need of a swap ASAP. My motor is just leaving a foul Oder when I drive smells like oil. But it's so heavy.

3rdtimecharmer

i can ask my brother to do the swap for some $. but hes helping me with mine right now.


um, for del sols im not sure.

this is what i know.

i recommend going H2B. youll be fast forsure.
basically h motor with any b series tranny. or u can use your D series and go
H2D swap.

if u get the QSD kit, which is what i got, it will usey our existing mounts and shift linkage. mounting points. your gonna need aftermarket mounts, such as hasport. OR get inserts at the least. i have inserts for now.

its a pretty simple swap besides fitment issues, just gotta bang the frame rail in certain areas with a hammer. the swap seemd crazy when i first started but its coming together. you could use the existing harness the motor comes with, which would be best because you dont have to wire up for vtec. im sure the swap will come with an ECU. um. i might have left some things out, but there is a sticky you can search for.

H2B/F2B FAQ. i found a lot of answers regarding the swap in that thread. try searching for it. its helpful.

LowNSlowDelSol

Ask ur bro how much for the h22 swap? Or the f20b swap. I've heard of the h2b is it reliable? I read a bit an saw ppl saying qsd is better then the evo kit?

LowNSlowDelSol

By the way is it true the f20 comes with cast iron sleeves? So I won't need to sleeve and can look at the boost route? I think it was the f20 idk I just remember it was a. Accord motor. I'm just hoping anyone of these swaps is within 2200

3rdtimecharmer

im pretty sure 2200 is enough. but yah f20b has cast iron sleeve. but you have to convert to OBD1.

u need fuel rail, distributor, intake manifold, and couple plugs off the h22a harness.

i wouldnt boost, im an all motor kind of guy.

doing my f20B with my b16 tranny is quick enough for me.

if u dont boost and stay all motor, H22A will be an easier swap for u to do. mostly plug and play, wuoldnt have to convert to OBD1. and you can get it BAR for your del sol. so IF you get puilled over, you wont get ref ticket :]

o yah and you have to bend the A pipe a little to get it to line up with your piping and what not on either motor.



h22a/f20b route is most bang for your buck if you want to be quick but its sorta a headache lol. but itll be worth it when im done.

LowNSlowDelSol

Euro spec 2gz
92-95 1300
97-98 1500

Hmm maybe I can get it lmk wassup with the swap

Which one do I buy my del sol is a 93 so what obd is it? Or we'll which motor should I get so I don't have to convert it

3rdtimecharmer

i think your del sol is OBD1. it should say on a sticker underside of your hood. h22A is OBD1

LowNSlowDelSol

Dang qsd kit is like 700. That's almost 1500 for tranny set up. Usin the h22 tranny is cheaper. Lsd optional for 300. And the complete change over is 2100. Is the h2b setup worth the extra 700 plus tax? H motors quoted gsr tranny for 850

LowNSlowDelSol

What's the benefits of a b series tranny over the original tranny the motor comes with? If proll get lsd if anything it's a maybe

3rdtimecharmer

well the thing is for me i got lucky. i already have a b16A tranny so all i did was buy the QSD kit. if you dont have a tranny yet then yah maybe u would want to just get the whole complete swap that comes with tranny. the gearing is a bit longer but idk its up to u.

like i said, just do a lot of research before u decide.


the benifits is, shorter gearing and u have more options. a lot of people get type R tranny but i dont have that kind of $ right now.

LowNSlowDelSol

Yeah bad I've been looking into it. But wassup how much to get the motor swap from ur bro?

LowNSlowDelSol

Ima start piecing my set up. Which basically is 92 - 95 h22a long block 97spec type r lsd tranny qsd h2b setup. Steve from h motor said I should get a better pulley than the stock one a ek or type r or something. I asked him why he just said nvm and gave me a quote on everything. Is the pulley something I should be concerned about for my swap? Does it affect or help produce power etc or something thanks in advance sry for noob oh questions I'm tryna learn as much as possible

3rdtimecharmer

i think the b series pully is smaller and will help u clear frame rail. i left everything stock. i just banged the hell outta my frame rail till everything cleared. now i have a little over 1/2 inch of clearance haha.