I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ???????
10-03-2001, 06:07 AM
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I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ???????
I have a 93 Prelude, that I believe is the basic model. You'll have to excuse me, I'm kinda still learning. I would like to start modifying my car, but I have 120,000 miles on it. They rest of the car is in great shape. I called Honda to see if I could just replace the same engine, but they told me that I shouldn't because it is the JSpec H22a, because the vin begins with J. All I know is that MY ENGINE IS SlOW. Before I start adding mods to this engine, is there a faster engine that I can place in my car instead? 
10-03-2001, 06:50 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Todd_1)
Dealer is giving you some strange info.
Look on your engine block to the left of your exhaust manifold to see what engine you have. It's probably an F22.
The H22A is the engine you DO want.
How much money do you want to spend?
[Modified by 4doorH22, 10:51 AM 10/3/2001]
Look on your engine block to the left of your exhaust manifold to see what engine you have. It's probably an F22.
The H22A is the engine you DO want.
How much money do you want to spend?
[Modified by 4doorH22, 10:51 AM 10/3/2001]
10-03-2001, 07:09 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (4doorH22)
I don't want to sound cocky and say that money doesn't matter, but I love these Hondas, and what you can do to them. I plan on keeping this car for life, so I don't mind taking my time. What would you say the price should be for the results I'm looking for. Now I must warn you, my car unfortunately was an automatic. But when I saw it on the lot, for the price they wanted, it didn't even matter. Any help is greatly appreciated.
10-03-2001, 07:34 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (4doorH22)
OK, my mistake, the engine that is currently in my prelude is an F22A1. Are there any complications with dropping an H22A in place of my current engine?
10-03-2001, 07:34 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Todd_1)
I suspect your car is a Prelude S? Well is your motor an F22? Salvaged H22s, the badass Honda 4 banger, go for $2~4K plus $1~3K to install. Drops right into your car 'cause that's what the 4g (4th generation Prelude, your generation) Prelude VTECs came with. Oh add more for auto to manual conversion.
10-03-2001, 07:37 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (4doorH22)
Is the auto to manual conversion a must? Is this engine going to be VTEC, and is this why? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to learn.
10-03-2001, 07:38 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Todd_1)
H22s put out 190 to 200 horsepower. If you or anyone you know can't do the labor, I'd say your looking at a $6,000 job (parts and labor) minimum. A lot of people get it done dirt cheap. Always better to overestimate. I budgeted $5,500 and ended up spending $9,700.
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10-03-2001, 08:27 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (4doorH22)
If you didn't live in Ohio, I'd send you to my mechanic... he can do it, and for cheaper than anyone else. Also, if you wanted to go manual, he can do that too.
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (JG Luder)
How long would it possibly take your friend to complete the job. I don't mind traveling, and it would probably cost more to do it here. Columbus has two import shops, and they both know that they are the only shops in the area, therefore everything costs about twice as much.
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Todd_1)
Hell, what do you want done? Manual? H22A1? I'll ask him how much he charges and how long it'll take him.
10-03-2001, 08:48 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (JG Luder)
If you could find out how much it would cost to install an H22A automatic vs an H22A manual. The prices may decide how far I want to go. Hit me up on the email in my profile if you can find out something. Anything you need for the hook up, you let me know.
10-03-2001, 08:59 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Todd_1)
It's impossible to give even a ballpark price because there are so many variables...
Obviously older higher milage engines will be cheaper than newer lower milage engines.
The trouble I ran into is that I got a mint engine ($4K), and well I had to convert it's modern electronics (OBD II) back to early 90s electronics (OBD I), which was almost another $2K.
Different model years might have slightly different accessories that may cause clearance problems. All sorts of little issues that jack up the price.
Obviously older higher milage engines will be cheaper than newer lower milage engines.
The trouble I ran into is that I got a mint engine ($4K), and well I had to convert it's modern electronics (OBD II) back to early 90s electronics (OBD I), which was almost another $2K.
Different model years might have slightly different accessories that may cause clearance problems. All sorts of little issues that jack up the price.
10-03-2001, 09:12 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (4doorH22)
NICE I LIKE HOW CLEAN YOURS LOOKS!!!!!
But if he is looking for The full power of the H22 he needs to get one that is marked like mine.
JDM 220 hp and 165 TQ "STOCK"
[Modified by quicklude, 10:13 AM 10/3/2001] 
[Modified by quicklude, 10:19 AM 10/3/2001]
[Modified by quicklude, 10:19 AM 10/3/2001]
But if he is looking for The full power of the H22 he needs to get one that is marked like mine.
JDM 220 hp and 165 TQ "STOCK"
[Modified by quicklude, 10:13 AM 10/3/2001]
[Modified by quicklude, 10:19 AM 10/3/2001]
[Modified by quicklude, 10:19 AM 10/3/2001]
10-03-2001, 09:57 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (quicklude)
Wow! Now can you explain to me how your engine is different from my man's up above. Also, if you mind me asking, how did you go about searching for your's?
10-03-2001, 10:28 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Todd_1)
His is a JDM motor from either a Type S or an SiR S-Spec. They come with 216 hp stock due to some upgraded internals (higher CR pistons, cams, etc.). Notice there is no 1 or 4 after the A in the H22A_ stamp on that motor. JDM motors end in a letter, USDM motors end in a number.
IMHO you can get a USDM one cheaper and make it just as fast if not faster with the extra money you have from not buying a JDM motor. But that's if you want to do some work. Since your car already has a motor in it it's not like you'll have downtime if you decided to modify the H22 before you put it in.
As for the auto thing, it's going to be a little tricky. You could probably use your current ECU and just band aid on a V-AFC to control VTEC but that's not the best way IMHO. 4th gen VTEC's did not come in an auto flavour (at least not in the states) so you won't be able to use an auto with a 4th gen VTEC ECU and the 5th gen comes with the sport shift tranny so you still couldn't use your current tranny. Plus the gearing in your tranny is not set up for VTEC. You'd have more power but your car would not be geared well if you kept the auto tranny you have now. I guess your only hope to keep an auto tranny would be to either get a 5th gen sport shift tranny and see if you could make it work (not worth it IMHO) or try and find a 4th gen JDM auto VTEC ECU and use it.
If you really want your car to be fast then don't bother with the auto tranny, you'll end up bitching about wanting a manual in the end.
Gabe
IMHO you can get a USDM one cheaper and make it just as fast if not faster with the extra money you have from not buying a JDM motor. But that's if you want to do some work. Since your car already has a motor in it it's not like you'll have downtime if you decided to modify the H22 before you put it in.
As for the auto thing, it's going to be a little tricky. You could probably use your current ECU and just band aid on a V-AFC to control VTEC but that's not the best way IMHO. 4th gen VTEC's did not come in an auto flavour (at least not in the states) so you won't be able to use an auto with a 4th gen VTEC ECU and the 5th gen comes with the sport shift tranny so you still couldn't use your current tranny. Plus the gearing in your tranny is not set up for VTEC. You'd have more power but your car would not be geared well if you kept the auto tranny you have now. I guess your only hope to keep an auto tranny would be to either get a 5th gen sport shift tranny and see if you could make it work (not worth it IMHO) or try and find a 4th gen JDM auto VTEC ECU and use it.
If you really want your car to be fast then don't bother with the auto tranny, you'll end up bitching about wanting a manual in the end.
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10-03-2001, 10:32 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (Gabe)
His is a JDM motor from either a Type S or an SiR S-Spec. They come with 216 hp stock due to some upgraded internals (higher CR pistons, cams, etc.). Notice there is no 1 or 4 after the A in the H22A_ stamp on that motor. JDM motors end in a letter, USDM motors end in a number.
IMHO you can get a USDM one cheaper and make it just as fast if not faster with the extra money you have from not buying a JDM motor. But that's if you want to do some work. Since your car already has a motor in it it's not like you'll have downtime if you decided to modify the H22 before you put it in.
As for the auto thing, it's going to be a little tricky. You could probably use your current ECU and just band aid on a V-AFC to control VTEC but that's not the best way IMHO. 4th gen VTEC's did not come in an auto flavour (at least not in the states) so you won't be able to use an auto with a 4th gen VTEC ECU and the 5th gen comes with the sport shift tranny so you still couldn't use your current tranny. Plus the gearing in your tranny is not set up for VTEC. You'd have more power but your car would not be geared well if you kept the auto tranny you have now. I guess your only hope to keep an auto tranny would be to either get a 5th gen sport shift tranny and see if you could make it work (not worth it IMHO) or try and find a 4th gen JDM auto VTEC ECU and use it.
If you really want your car to be fast then don't bother with the auto tranny, you'll end up bitching about wanting a manual in the end.
Gabe
IMHO you can get a USDM one cheaper and make it just as fast if not faster with the extra money you have from not buying a JDM motor. But that's if you want to do some work. Since your car already has a motor in it it's not like you'll have downtime if you decided to modify the H22 before you put it in.
As for the auto thing, it's going to be a little tricky. You could probably use your current ECU and just band aid on a V-AFC to control VTEC but that's not the best way IMHO. 4th gen VTEC's did not come in an auto flavour (at least not in the states) so you won't be able to use an auto with a 4th gen VTEC ECU and the 5th gen comes with the sport shift tranny so you still couldn't use your current tranny. Plus the gearing in your tranny is not set up for VTEC. You'd have more power but your car would not be geared well if you kept the auto tranny you have now. I guess your only hope to keep an auto tranny would be to either get a 5th gen sport shift tranny and see if you could make it work (not worth it IMHO) or try and find a 4th gen JDM auto VTEC ECU and use it.
If you really want your car to be fast then don't bother with the auto tranny, you'll end up bitching about wanting a manual in the end.
Gabe
I'd do a manual trans and just buy an entire swap. Axels, ECU, tranny, etc. Probably for $2,500-$3,000 for an older H22A1. Do the rings and bearings, clean it up a little for maybe $300-$500 extra, and you're good to go. Pay someone the $$$ to install it, and you're set.
10-03-2001, 10:54 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (JG Luder)
PS
JDM = Japanese Domestic Market
USDM = US Domestic Market
The Japanese keep all the good stuff for themselves.
JDM = Japanese Domestic Market
USDM = US Domestic Market
The Japanese keep all the good stuff for themselves.
10-04-2001, 11:29 AM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (ek9t)
[Modified by 4doorH22, 10:51 AM 10/3/2001]
fyi... dont know if everyone knows this cuz i just found it out... the usdm prelude motor has an external coil as u can see in this picture... the jdm has an internal coil therefore u dont see it like in this picture
Your right, this is why my prelude motor has an internal coil, and thus easier to swap into my car.
10-04-2001, 01:00 PM
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Re: I can switch my 93 Prelude engine with ??????? (GraphiteAccord)
HAHA! IIRC only the H22A1 had an external coil! All the JDM H22As and USDM H22A4s had an internal coil. Mine's external 'cause it's a H22A1 distributor as part of the OBD 1 conversion.
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