simon98h22

Hi all,

I'd like to know from experience/dyno/specs for peeps that have built up an H22A with all motor goodies what components gave the best returns for the buck. Price is not really an issue but I don't want to spend money on minimal gain/useless things. IE: Cams, Cam gears, Valvetrain, pulleys, Hondata, intake/exhaust mani ( I hear oem ones are decent) etc ....

My H22A has a CAI and has 2.5" piping from downpipe on.

Any/all info appreciated.

Si

dawalude

so you think cams, cam gears, valvetrain, pulleys, hondata are things with minimal gain? those are basically the parts that put together an all motor h22. if you think those are useless things i dont think you should go all motor

Matgallis

hondata is NOT a minimal gain...

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by simon98h22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi all,

I'd like to know from experience/dyno/specs for peeps that have built up an H22A with all motor goodies what components gave the best returns for the buck. Price is not really an issue but I don't want to spend money on minimal gain/useless things. IE: Cams, Cam gears, Valvetrain, pulleys, Hondata, intake/exhaust mani ( I hear oem ones are decent) etc ....

My H22A has a CAI and has 2.5" piping from downpipe on.

Any/all info appreciated.

Si</TD></TR></TABLE>

You will want all of those things for supporting parts of your major power gainers... 'cept for maybe the pullies. And partner, unless you make more than God, money is always an issue for cars. Things don't always go according to plan. Stuff blows up... alot.

EDIT: I take it back. For N/A I would get the pullies. With NA EVERYTHING makes a difference.

DirtyLude

Those are examples of suggestions you could make, not the minimal ones he doesn't want to hear. He just worded it badly. Threw me off for a second as well.

simon98h22

Seriously, guys ... chill man. I know all those parts will give me gains for an all motor build up, I just wanted to know where the best bang for my buck is : IE Great gains can be made by these three things, or a combination of X parts are the best bang for the buck, think of it as a priority/best path list maybe ? Agreed, I could have phrased the question better. And when I say money is no object, it means I don't mind spending big bucks for the right parts cuz I don't want to do things 2 or 3 times, not that I make more money than god.

poison

It really depends on how deep you wanna dig and go.

builtprelude

yah you need to tell us what gas you can get if you have a good tuner around and how wild you want to go with your all motor setup

es_squared

the best way to make power is to get pretty much all or most of those things because then they will complement each other . ie. cams go well with cam gears, just like intakes headers and exhausts

H22_HB

hey poison im doing a swap just like you. i was woundring if u can help me cause i going through some tuff time trying to put this swap together..

simon98h22

I have access to a great mechanic, a very knowledgeable Honda Dyno Tuner, 94 octane gas and some good sources for parts. I know I know ... sky's the limit. I have a CAI and a good 2.5 mandrel bent exhaust on the car now. What should I start with ? Normally I'd lean towards breathing with say I/H/E. I have the exhaust and I hear the stock intake/exhaust mani are decent on this motor (95 JDM H22A w/LSD). So maybe I'll just come out and ask, for the best gains, what are the 3 or 4 next parts I should get from the ones I listed? As for a goal ...... say 200 whp?

Adam.

200whp from an NA h22a is quite easy in comparison to what it seemed you wanted. With some great bolt-ons you may even be able to pull that with zero internal work. I've seen it w/ i/h/e and tuning. (of course this was with the heavenly SMSP header).

The guy who sold me my current header was making 190whp with no tuning. It's safe to assume a couple more mods and he'd be up around 200 with tuning.

Finest

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by simon98h22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a CAI and a good 2.5 mandrel bent exhaust on the car now. What should I start with ? Normally I'd lean towards breathing with say I/H/E.

So maybe I'll just come out and ask, for the best gains, what are the 3 or 4 next parts I should get from the ones I listed? As for a goal ...... say 200 whp?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The key component to ANY N/A build are the cams. It doesn't matter if you have the best header/port work/etc etc...you need a good set of cams to get things going first.

With that said, with a new set of cams, you'll need the supporting mods as well.

Since you already mentioned a 2.5" exhaust and CAI, here's what you should upgrade with the cams:

1) Valvesprings/retainers. You'll need them to rev above the stock redline w/o floating a valve.

2) Header. I don't know how well the JDM header flows, but it's designed with the stock cams in mind. You can always use the JDM one, but just know that you can net a few more ponies by going with an aftermarket header if you don't reach your HP goals.

3) Cam gears. To help tune the cams. Not all motors are built the same. Some might get those freaky motors that put down 170whp STOCK! Others might get a lemon. This is why you need to tune your car to it's specific needs.

4) Hondata. Not only do you need a way to increase your stock redline, but this will give you the best control over your motor.

Good luck!

SKDRCR

It's not a major mod but a good gain for your buck would
be an Hondata IM gasket, and while your at it, you could
get the stock IM ported as well

Kal

SMSP header
Crower Stage 3 and Cam gears
Type S pistons

simon98h22

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The key component to ANY N/A build are the cams. It doesn't matter if you have the best header/port work/etc etc...you need a good set of cams to get things going first.

With that said, with a new set of cams, you'll need the supporting mods as well.

Since you already mentioned a 2.5" exhaust and CAI, here's what you should upgrade with the cams:

1) Valvesprings/retainers. You'll need them to rev above the stock redline w/o floating a valve.

2) Header. I don't know how well the JDM header flows, but it's designed with the stock cams in mind. You can always use the JDM one, but just know that you can net a few more ponies by going with an aftermarket header if you don't reach your HP goals.

3) Cam gears. To help tune the cams. Not all motors are built the same. Some might get those freaky motors that put down 170whp STOCK! Others might get a lemon. This is why you need to tune your car to it's specific needs.

4) Hondata. Not only do you need a way to increase your stock redline, but this will give you the best control over your motor.

Good luck! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the input, this is pertty much what I was looking for. I was very happy with the compression numbers (270-268-270-269) and this motor is in a 98 Integra so I think the potential is there. Just that the H series is a new venture for me and I wanted to know the good foundation blocks for a good N/A HP return on my motor.

I've had a whole new exhaust built for this application and the welds are good and it's all 2.5 so the breathing will be improved. But if I ever spend money on an exhaust again, it will be Hytech from header to muffler. Guy with an ITR in Montreal showed me his Dyno sheets (along with some Yoshio tuning of course) and the numbers speak for themselves ... wow is all I can say.

Any recommendations for internals ? Kinda one of those things where once you commit to a brand, you go all out (IE ABC Camshafts will probably work best with ABC Cam gears no?). My mechanic is a big fan of Crower, I've read mixed reviews. Again, thanks for all the info guys

Si

gen4vteclude

If tou are willing to "fully" build the motor, don't forget stroker kits. r+d dyno claims something 250whp(na) with a 2.6l stroker.(in street trim)

Daboi630

from what i have seen (MrMike = 195, builtprelude = 198, stRodda = its down but i remember somewhere around there), to reach 200ish whp = crower stage 2's one of the main ingredients

The Official Dyno Page check there for the dyno's.

BUT you could also spend big bucks on a SMSP header and let me know if you hit 205whp like our mod Corey.

looking through it, i also noticed some with type s cams (macroresin = 195, JDogg = 198) hitting close to 200. maybe with more time and money ill throw my cams in and dyno 'em!

every car is different though. don't know what else to tell ya.

Mr Black

Ah...an Ottawa person. Excellent.

I myself don't drive a Honda but my good friend has a 2001 'Lude SE which he is slowly but surely building up. He has I/H/E right now and is putting 178 to the wheels on a Mustang dyno. Very soon he will be installing stage 1 Catcams along with springs/retainers, and backing the hardware up with an AEM FRP/rail.

Testing by Cat's main distributor (JRP in Toronto) has shown a 20 whp increase with the cams and upgraded FPR, so hopefully we'll see something close to that. My buddy might show up at an OttawaPrelude meet or you will definitely find him at the MCO autocross meets this summer.

Oh, BTW, the 178whp was before the header- it's a DC 4-2-1 street header. My buddy felt that the best gain with this item was pre-VTEC engagement, like 3-4k rpm.

simon98h22

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The key component to ANY N/A build are the cams. It doesn't matter if you have the best header/port work/etc etc...you need a good set of cams to get things going first.

With that said, with a new set of cams, you'll need the supporting mods as well.

Since you already mentioned a 2.5" exhaust and CAI, here's what you should upgrade with the cams:

1) Valvesprings/retainers. You'll need them to rev above the stock redline w/o floating a valve.

2) Header. I don't know how well the JDM header flows, but it's designed with the stock cams in mind. You can always use the JDM one, but just know that you can net a few more ponies by going with an aftermarket header if you don't reach your HP goals.

3) Cam gears. To help tune the cams. Not all motors are built the same. Some might get those freaky motors that put down 170whp STOCK! Others might get a lemon. This is why you need to tune your car to it's specific needs.

4) Hondata. Not only do you need a way to increase your stock redline, but this will give you the best control over your motor.

Good luck! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the input, this is pertty much what I was looking for. I was very happy with the compression numbers (270-268-270-269) and this motor is in a 98 Integra so I think the potential is there. Just that the H series is a new venture for me and I wanted to know the good foundation blocks for a good N/A HP return on my motor.

I've had a whole new exhaust built for this application and the welds are good and it's all 2.5 so the breathing will be improved. But if I ever spend money on an exhaust again, it will be Hytech from header to muffler. Guy with an ITR in Montreal showed me his Dyno sheets (along with some Yoshio tuning of course) and the numbers speak for themselves ... wow is all I can say.

Any recommendations for internals ? Kinda one of those things where once you commit to a brand, you go all out (IE ABC Camshafts will probably work best with ABC Cam gears no?). My mechanic is a big fan of Crower, I've read mixed reviews. Again, thanks for all the info guys

Si

fastludeh22

iTrader: (1)

i agree w/finest.

the order i would probly go would be. a REAL header, then hondata, disconnect balance shafts (free ), then cams, gears and valvetrain. maybe euro-r itm? if your willing to resleeve, some 12:1 pistons, if not type-s pistons & thin headgasket, and good light rods.

i could sit here and list brands and all that, but then it would be my build not yours.

biggest things are research and tuning.

supaZZZleepa

search...and if you can't search then research.