The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread
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The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread
Ok, after much consideration I decided to stop hiding in the shower and join my fellow attention ****** (Tippy, Street ) in having my build thread. While many threads in this particular forum show you some type of ridiculous K-Swap, or the boosted B-Series from hell, I propose something different. I aim to prove that a motor can be BUILT from the ground up that is damn near bullet proof, make great power, and come out to LESS than the cost of a comparable engine purchased from a reputable engine Importer (Hmotors): I present you the D16 on Crack!
<FONT SIZE="3">The Theory</FONT>
I've always been a great believer in take what you have and make the most of it (unless it's a Daewoo, then crush it). I avoided all my friends who told me to just swap a B-Series and be done with it. After years of deliberation, the SOHC seems the best choice. Why? I've worked on them for the last 4 years continuously, the OEM market for them is huge from so many people tossing them aside, and pre-existing constraints. I would like to try to keep additional costs by using what I have already - no need for any more mounts, no need for dealing with axles or shift linkages, clutch connections, anything.
<FONT SIZE="3">The Addiction</FONT>
INGREDIENTS
1) 1x D16Z6 Golden Eagle Sleeved Block
Currently the block stands @ 77mm bore, so with a stock stroke this leaves me with 1690cc's of use-able displacement.....size matters I'll be taking it out to 78 and reclaiming an extra 30cc's to bring it up to 1720.
2) 1x Donor Crankshaft from a D16A6
I just pulled this from a donor motor I have laying my dorm room last night, inspected all the bearing surfaces and nay a scratch As you can see, nice and packaged until it's trip to the I.C. Lab.
3) 1x Donor Mains from said D16A6
My block did not come with mains from the seller, when he moved he lost the box they were in. Now I've been advised by some to just get rid of the block I have and start fresh, that mains should never be mixed, well sucks to be me. I refuse to throw out a sleeved block for no good reason, or to sell it and make it someone elses problem. As long as a damn good machine shop does the align bore on the mains, I will be fine. My only concern will be deck height of the pistons from the marginal northern move and the connection with the oil pump. All problems to be solved in time, but this isn't a B-Series. The operable rev-line will be set for 8,000, no higher.
*APPENDUM
When I say from from the Donor D16A6, I mean donor. I may not be the first person to take undertake a motor dismantling in their dorm room, but I may be the first to do it completely in a Grey tub. I should have took pictures along the way during the dismantling, but....I was having too much fun.
<FONT SIZE="3">Home</FONT>
1990 Civic Sedan
First person to tell me to lower it gets a boot in the face, it's on Koni Yellows in the picture and an Eibach Pro-Kit. While I'm on that tangent, let me be the first to say that I also believe in find a need, fill a need. In other terms, don't swap a motor into your car and then prep the car for the motor. This isn't just for my **** nature, this is a safety issue. All USDM car's were designed MAXIMUM for the nature of the D16A6, this includes all the suspension bits and the brake parts. I know the stock parts work fine, but they could work better! Efficiency FTW
Thanks to the following for contributing in various ways to this project
Power Rev Racing
Turbogixxer
homey dont play dat
M15
Jonathan @ Titan Motorsports
Stacey @ Tunertoys
Boostfed
rockdude14 <-- For supplying Top Gear so I maintained my sanity
UPDATES WILL AS FOLLOW
1) Finish Current Modifications [B]CHECK[B]
2) Explain the technical aspects of this build
- Turbo Selection
- In-Depth Discussion of the Turbo on Hondas
- Transmission Design
- Front Suspension Overhaul Begins
- Quaife Steering Rack Install
- Review of Innovative Replacement Mounts
3) Record all technical aspects for future reference
Modified by dr_latino999 at 2:33 PM 4/21/2008
<FONT SIZE="3">The Theory</FONT>
I've always been a great believer in take what you have and make the most of it (unless it's a Daewoo, then crush it). I avoided all my friends who told me to just swap a B-Series and be done with it. After years of deliberation, the SOHC seems the best choice. Why? I've worked on them for the last 4 years continuously, the OEM market for them is huge from so many people tossing them aside, and pre-existing constraints. I would like to try to keep additional costs by using what I have already - no need for any more mounts, no need for dealing with axles or shift linkages, clutch connections, anything.
<FONT SIZE="3">The Addiction</FONT>
INGREDIENTS
1) 1x D16Z6 Golden Eagle Sleeved Block
Currently the block stands @ 77mm bore, so with a stock stroke this leaves me with 1690cc's of use-able displacement.....size matters I'll be taking it out to 78 and reclaiming an extra 30cc's to bring it up to 1720.
2) 1x Donor Crankshaft from a D16A6
I just pulled this from a donor motor I have laying my dorm room last night, inspected all the bearing surfaces and nay a scratch As you can see, nice and packaged until it's trip to the I.C. Lab.
Originally Posted by Chong
you wrap your **** up like an STD infected *****
3) 1x Donor Mains from said D16A6
My block did not come with mains from the seller, when he moved he lost the box they were in. Now I've been advised by some to just get rid of the block I have and start fresh, that mains should never be mixed, well sucks to be me. I refuse to throw out a sleeved block for no good reason, or to sell it and make it someone elses problem. As long as a damn good machine shop does the align bore on the mains, I will be fine. My only concern will be deck height of the pistons from the marginal northern move and the connection with the oil pump. All problems to be solved in time, but this isn't a B-Series. The operable rev-line will be set for 8,000, no higher.
*APPENDUM
When I say from from the Donor D16A6, I mean donor. I may not be the first person to take undertake a motor dismantling in their dorm room, but I may be the first to do it completely in a Grey tub. I should have took pictures along the way during the dismantling, but....I was having too much fun.
<FONT SIZE="3">Home</FONT>
1990 Civic Sedan
First person to tell me to lower it gets a boot in the face, it's on Koni Yellows in the picture and an Eibach Pro-Kit. While I'm on that tangent, let me be the first to say that I also believe in find a need, fill a need. In other terms, don't swap a motor into your car and then prep the car for the motor. This isn't just for my **** nature, this is a safety issue. All USDM car's were designed MAXIMUM for the nature of the D16A6, this includes all the suspension bits and the brake parts. I know the stock parts work fine, but they could work better! Efficiency FTW
Thanks to the following for contributing in various ways to this project
Power Rev Racing
Turbogixxer
homey dont play dat
M15
Jonathan @ Titan Motorsports
Stacey @ Tunertoys
Boostfed
rockdude14 <-- For supplying Top Gear so I maintained my sanity
UPDATES WILL AS FOLLOW
1) Finish Current Modifications [B]CHECK[B]
2) Explain the technical aspects of this build
- Turbo Selection
- In-Depth Discussion of the Turbo on Hondas
- Transmission Design
- Front Suspension Overhaul Begins
- Quaife Steering Rack Install
- Review of Innovative Replacement Mounts
3) Record all technical aspects for future reference
Modified by dr_latino999 at 2:33 PM 4/21/2008
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (dr_latino999)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, after much consideration I decided to stop hiding in the shower and join my fellow attention ****** (Tippy, Street ) in having my build thread. </TD></TR></TABLE>
wow, ive been recognized by my peers and colleagues.
an honor from the doctor!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First person to tell me to lower it gets a boot in the face</TD></TR></TABLE>
anyway...
I'm really going to follow this build. I have always wanted to build an N/A D series. maybe i should do one as my next project.
wow, ive been recognized by my peers and colleagues.
an honor from the doctor!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First person to tell me to lower it gets a boot in the face</TD></TR></TABLE>
anyway...
I'm really going to follow this build. I have always wanted to build an N/A D series. maybe i should do one as my next project.
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (STREETWERKZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
wow, ive been recognized by my peers and colleagues.
an honor from the doctor!</TD></TR></TABLE> Least I can do, with your constant Supercharger SOHC > Veyron talk in the past made sure I stayed true to the SOHC cause. And because I know you're a traitor now with that damn B -->
Possibly *NWS*
http://is.rely.net/1-2664-7445...w.jpg
wow, ive been recognized by my peers and colleagues.
an honor from the doctor!</TD></TR></TABLE> Least I can do, with your constant Supercharger SOHC > Veyron talk in the past made sure I stayed true to the SOHC cause. And because I know you're a traitor now with that damn B -->
Possibly *NWS*
http://is.rely.net/1-2664-7445...w.jpg
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mra4886 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey dr. it looks good. realy nice build. what whp #'s you looking for?</TD></TR></TABLE>
as much as a stock gsr, buahahahahaa
as much as a stock gsr, buahahahahaa
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mra4886 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey dr. it looks good. realy nice build. what whp #'s you looking for?</TD></TR></TABLE> I'm hoping to make 180+ Crank HP keeping the compression ratio within 0.5 of stock. Ladyman on his Endyn build pulled 179~180, and a boat load of torque. I'll be able to give a good prediction though when I manage to find a spare D16Z6 head to flow and get some data off.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mra4886 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice. for a dorm room build.</TD></TR></TABLE> I should have got a picture last night when I put my oil drain pan in the bathroom, and then held the motor over it to drain it; FIRST EVER ANYWHERE Automotive Oil Change In The Bathroom!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I should have got a picture last night when I put my oil drain pan in the bathroom, and then held the motor over it to drain it; FIRST EVER ANYWHERE Automotive Oil Change In The Bathroom! </TD></TR></TABLE>
there just isnt any better of a place to do that.
there just isnt any better of a place to do that.
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This gonna be a great thread. I am sticking around for this I will make sure that I find you a head to get on that motor, just give me a few days.
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (dr_latino999)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... or the boosted B-Series from hell</TD></TR></TABLE>
I though i told you to keep my name out of your mouth
I would just get some mains off another block and line bore them, you should be fine. The polished slips look good. Might of missed it but are u going to boost or n/a?
I though i told you to keep my name out of your mouth
I would just get some mains off another block and line bore them, you should be fine. The polished slips look good. Might of missed it but are u going to boost or n/a?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I should have got a picture last night when I put my oil drain pan in the bathroom, and then held the motor over it to drain it; FIRST EVER ANYWHERE Automotive Oil Change In The Bathroom! </TD></TR></TABLE>
lmao!! next oil change.. grab the camera!
lmao!! next oil change.. grab the camera!
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (dr_latino999)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, after much consideration I decided to stop hiding in the shower and join my fellow attention ****** (Tippy, Street ) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Wutchu talking bout doc?
The D looks good.
Wutchu talking bout doc?
The D looks good.
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (Boosted Chemist)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boosted Chemist »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would just get some mains off another block and line bore them, you should be fine. The polished slips look good. Might of missed it but are u going to boost or n/a?
</TD></TR></TABLE> You would be surprised how hard it is to find a D-Series short block for a reasonable price that hasn't spun any bearings in it's life. Now then you have to narrow that term to just 1.6L, and then narrow it down to the D16A6 / D16Z6 blocks, you spend a lot of time scratching your head. I've had the sleeved block since, November I believe, took till now to find a good donor source.
Currently the project is aiming just to get this motor running as a stand alone motor, so initially you can say N/A. But once all is said and done, and I get bored with the power levels (which will happen), it'll be time for the GT28 that's on my wish list.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboLSef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lmao!! next oil change.. grab the camera! </TD></TR></TABLE> Imagine this, two hands holding the block, one foot stepping on the pry bar wedged between the pan and the block, and me praying that I didn't fall over and have a roommate have to save me
</TD></TR></TABLE> You would be surprised how hard it is to find a D-Series short block for a reasonable price that hasn't spun any bearings in it's life. Now then you have to narrow that term to just 1.6L, and then narrow it down to the D16A6 / D16Z6 blocks, you spend a lot of time scratching your head. I've had the sleeved block since, November I believe, took till now to find a good donor source.
Currently the project is aiming just to get this motor running as a stand alone motor, so initially you can say N/A. But once all is said and done, and I get bored with the power levels (which will happen), it'll be time for the GT28 that's on my wish list.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboLSef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lmao!! next oil change.. grab the camera! </TD></TR></TABLE> Imagine this, two hands holding the block, one foot stepping on the pry bar wedged between the pan and the block, and me praying that I didn't fall over and have a roommate have to save me
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (Tippyman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wutchu talking bout doc?</TD></TR></TABLE> You guys were the first two build threads that came to mind when I was thinking about it, and I was too lazy to go to the front page to find other people to give free advertisement too.
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Re: The Dr. Is In! D16 on Crack Build Thread (dr_latino999)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You guys were the first two build threads that came to mind when I was thinking about it, and I was too lazy to go to the front page to find other people to give free advertisement too.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No no, you picked right.
No no, you picked right.