Ricerjack

I have a 1990 civic cx with high mileage but the body is mint, so I'm looking into doing a full engine (trans, wiring harness etc.) I need help to find the most powerful engine that would fit the frame . Stock motor only puts out 70hp and is 1500cc , looking for over 200hp

Freemananana

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Fit the frame? That is a pretty vague reference. You can fit a LS3 within the frame if you really wanted to. If you are talking direct drop in, B18C has been done a million times and requires motor mounts. You can fit a K-series motor in there with a little bit more work.

Ricerjack

What would be the cheapest motor ( that would cost me under 3 grand) that would be easy to yes drop right in

jlicrx

the only engines that "drop right in" are D-series engines and most of them will require wiring changes - anything from just DPFI to MPFI staying OBD0, like D16A6, ZC, etc., to DPFI to MPFI and converting to OBD1 for VTEC engines like D16Z6 and D16Y8 - none will give you more than about 125-130 hp at the flywheel in stock form

Freemananana

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$3,000 won't get you far. Possibly a GSR by the time you get it in the car and running. That will give you some fudge room and let you upgrade the intake and exhaust.

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30010
That still requires you to buy the motor mounts for your car, shift linkage, and axles. You can piece together a swap for sure. But 200 HP, even at the crank, is not cheap.

160 wHP is much more achievable by getting a USDM GSR motor with a B16 cable trans, 90-93 integra axles, modified integra shift linkage and a chipped ECU to run the motor in OBD1.

Ricerjack

I'm looking into the d series engines, can u get them with a turbo?

Freemananana

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Not from the factory.

D16Z6 is your best bet for the D-series. OBD1 and if you want to turbo it, you can. I would use a T25 1G or 2G turbo from an eclipse or similar sized turbo. You can make upwards of 200 wHP on those stock longblocks before you run into issues. I would stick to a 5-speed transmission out of a Civic/CRX Si so that you don't have to convert to Hydro. Use DSM 440cc (450?) injectors, a P28 chipped and tuned and 2.5" downpipe/exhaust. You may need to notch the front crossmember or get a traction bar for clearance.

Turbo Z6 builds are common. Search them up and see what people put together.

Ricerjack

What do you think about the d15b engines?

Freemananana

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The JDM single stage D15B VTEC is a decent motor. I don't think it is as good as a USDM D16Z6. It will cost you the same and you'll still have the same transmission issue (hydro). I'd stick with a Z6. I have seen them at the junkyard. $250 for the complete motor. You can skimp on the JY auto trans. Then just rebuild it with Vitara internals or OEM spec and boost it.

Ricerjack

and what would be the price to do that full swap (apprx.)

Freemananana

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A rebuilt Z6.

$250 - Z6 from the yard
$500 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/SpeedFactory-YCP-Coated-Skirts-Vitara-Pistons-Eagle-Rods-Combo-D16Z6-Y8-75mm-/201159696316?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ed60d5fbc&vxp=mtr$1,000 - Pieced together turbo 'basics' (Manifold, turbo, downpipe, intercooler, piping, BOV, wastegate, injectors, fuel pump, catch can)
$100 - P28 Chipped/socketed
$600 - Tune

That is assuming you do all the work yourself. That's a pretty no frills set up. Should be good to the limits of the D-series sleeves though.

Also, the transmission wasn't discussed. The $1,000 is assuming nearly all parts are sourced used and at a very fair price.

Ricerjack

Is it worth it to get the vtec d16z6 ?

Evo9GSR

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Maybe you should try a mini me boosted set up. But you would still have to convert to OBD 1. That should give you enough power to play with. but at the end of the build might cost a little over 3 grand.

Freemananana

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I've heard mixed things about mini-mes. I would just go with a straight Z6 at that point.

Evo9GSR

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I hear the d16 mini me is good. But the z6 is a great motor also. Do some research on boosted single cams. If you have the money dual cam motors are easier to find accessories for. But they can be more expensive.

lostforawhile

why are you referring to this as a "ricer" project? ricers only care about slapping ugly **** on the car,big wings etc, and nozzzzzz!! doing a motor swap to increase performance is a real modification

racejunke13

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my current d-series engines are a

d15B7 bottom Z6 head
milled d15b7 with a6 cam
d16a6

out of all 3 the milled d15b7 with a6 cam is the fastest, good torque, just feels great
but the mini me b7z6 top end 4 to 7 really really good

pretty much anything is better than what you got and a hydro tranny conversion shouldnt scare anyone off its a cake walk on a ef either way

Freemananana

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If you go with the D16 series, the D16Y7/8 have bad oiling. If you are considering turbo application, you should think about oiling. The D16A6 and D16Z6 have a better crank, the blocks are actually the same if I remember correctly. That makes them a better choice for a boosted set up. A D16A6 with a D16Z6 head would be fine and so would a straight D16Z6. I mean, a boosted D16A6 wouldn't be bad either. It would just take more boost to get to the same power level due to the head but you are really limited by the rods more than head flow iirc.

His name is RicerJack. "Ricer's project" is probably what he is meaning.

The hydro tranny shouldn't scare anyone off, but you can't argue with cost saving. The kits aren't cheap, a couple hundred bucks. I would use a cable trans if it is available for the simplicity. But the hydro trans is better once you start making a bit of torque.

I do like your input though. Interesting experience. I'm assuming the milling bumps the compression a little bit. Did you do any tuning though? Or is it a stock ECU? Also, VTEC is all top end. I don't think the VTEC heads (Z6) do a whole lot at the lower RPM. The main advantage is the more aggressive cam profile in the upper RPM.

Evo9GSR

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I didn't have the factory d16 oiling system for too long so I wouldn't really know from experience. I'm going the mini me stroker route so all that is replaced. Basically what everyone is saying is get a single cam (z6,y8, or whatever) and boost it. It seems to fit your needs best and makes it he most sense. Just make sure you buy the supporting mods.

Ricerjack

I found a b16a at a scrapyard near me, any thoughts on those ?

Freemananana

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Amazing motor. ****** it up. If it is a junkyard, it will be cheap. Then you can do a cheap cast iron log manifold, T3 .50 trim Garrett turbo, 2.5" downpipe to a 2.5" straight exhaust, and make 300 HP on a stock motor if it is healthy. Run at least 550cc injectors on the stock rail, a walbro 190 lph fuel pump, and everything else fuel related should be fine. You can swap the PVC system for a vented catch can. Use an eBay intercooler pipe kit with a used intercooler or eBay intercooler if you must.

If you get the engine for $250 (that is my PnP price), $100 manifold, $500 turbo, $150 downpipe, $250 exhaust, $200 injectors, $100 fuel pump, $100 pipe kit, $100 intercooler, and then piece together the rest of the turbo kit. There is a Neptune Demon P28 for sale for $450, highly recommend that. OBD0 to OBD1 jumper is about $40. Catch cans can be cheap. BOV $200, Waste gate $200 (used Tial or turbosmart, etc).

You'd have a killer set up for a good price.

Evo9GSR

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Definitely snag that motor