dame-ningen

has anyone ever heard of anyone doing this? i want that octane boost!

RockyMtnTEG

Dont you just need to swap injectors and get tuned for it?? Neptune etc..

dame-ningen

im not exactly sure, but i read in the latest import tuner they had massive HP gains from it.

TheRappist

E85 can corrode engine parts/components

shak3yb0n3z

explain?

dame-ningen

+1 pls

fireblaze2k1

I just read that yeah, the alcohol is corrosive, but since the government has demanded 10-20% ethynol in gas, most companies have modified for this, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem in your car. They have a product from FlexTek called DIGIFLEX flex-fuel converter. You can use that with your stock set-up and switch between gas and E85. If you don't wanna spend the money, your probably gonna have to get bigger injectors, and better spark plugs for the cold starts since e85 has less energy than gas.

B18CivicEJ8

It's true that it's corrosive. That's why e85 can only be shipped in tanker trucks. It currently cannot be sent through pipelines like gasoline can.

dame-ningen

if you make an accusation, then explain please.

fireblaze2k1

um read what I wrote before his response. It explains that alcohol is corrosive. If corrosive material runs through pipes not meant for corrosive material, then what do you think would happen?

angel_i

I think the proper way to run E85 would be to run a larger fuel pump, larger injectors, and a proper tune. Even though it is cheaper, having to dump and extra 20-30% more fuel might offset the cheapness of the fuel, unless you are running turbo or high compresssion.

fireblaze2k1

Plus the E85 is worse for the environment than gas anyways.

dame-ningen

explain?

eg:R

anyone ran it on there daily driven car? if so what needs to be replace or change?

91civicDXdude

The reason ethanol cannot currently be transferred in existing gasoline pipelines is because it is an anhydrous substance and absorbs the small amounts of water left behind by the gasoline transfer process. Ethanol is only slightly more corrosive than normal gasoline and many people on this board (myself included) have ran it through a stock Honda fuel system for extended periods of time with no detrimental effects on fuel system components. I have read a few instances where after converting to E85, the fuel filter would have to be changed after a short amount of time because deposits in the tank & lines caused by petroleum based gasoline were dissolved by the alcohol and plugged the filter; I personally have not had this problem but it is something to keep in mind. While it is true that ethanol contains less energy per gallon than gasoline and as such requires a higher volume to achieve the same air/fuel ratios (around 20-30%), e85 has an octane rating of 105, is oxygenated, burns cooler than gasoline, and the greater volume needed has an additional cooling effect on the combustion chamber temps. This has the net effect of more horsepower in virtually any application provided you have the proper tuning.

The general consensus is that you should replace your stock fuel injectors with ones capable of flowing 20-30% more fuel, although I have had success with stock injectors and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on mildly modded NA b series engines.

As far as the environmental effects, combusting E85 generally produces less of the harmful & often carcinogenic chemical compounds as emissions than straight gasoline, and is less harmful in the event of a spill. However, some studies have concluded that E85 increases ground level smog, but there is debate about this.

tercel95

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/e85-safe-not-safe-2536423/

Here is another thread that was just created this week...

B18CivicEJ8

Just saw that you replied to me from the bump of the last poster.

"Wider use of pipelines to transport ethanol is problematic for several reasons. It means addressing ethanol’s water affinity problem (ethanol is water soluble meaning it absorbs water). Because water accumulation in pipelines is a normal occurrence (in most cases water enters the system through terminal and refinery tank roofs or can be dissolved in fuels during refinery processes), introducing ethanol into a pipeline risks rendering it unusable as a transportation fuel.

The second challenge to transporting ethanol by pipeline is the need to address corrosion issues. Ethanol-related corrosion problems can result from how ethanol behaves in the pipe. There is some evidence that ethanol in high concentrations can lead to various forms of corrosion including internal stress corrosion cracking, which is very hard to detect. This damage may be accelerated at weld joints or “hard spots” where the steel metallurgy has been altered.

While it may be technically possible to address issues relating to transporting ethanol via pipeline, significant investments in new and modified facilities and operational practices would be necessary. "

That is from an article in April of 2006 here: http://www.enewsbuilder.net/aopl/e_article000570935.cfm

While there have been several proposals to create the infrastructure needed to carry ethanol long distances, only one company is really serious and it is still several years out.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/ethanol+pipeline/

B18CivicEJ8

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister...le_1660665.php

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ol-water_n.htm

Here are a couple of articles from 07 that site a couple of studies that say ethanol can be worse for us than gas...

fireblaze2k1

Sorry didn't see that until now, but E85 as a fuel is actually better for the environment compared to gasoline from the car usage.
If you back up as see what it takes to make E85 and the future impact that can have, it actually takes more energy to make the stuff than gasoline. If you take that into consideration, and base the fact that corn is the main source of ethynol, and the impact on the environment for pushing the renewable source of fuel, then the cleared lands will lessen the trees that clean the air, the water depletion that happens from the processing of corn (including the creating of corn) and the chemicals in the fertilizer definately make an impact on the environment.

Until they find an easier and more efficient way to make and produce it, we are actually doing more damage making it, than exhaust fume make burning gas.

91civicDXdude

The evidence of corrosion of existing gasoline pipelines by ethanol has more to do with the fact that the pipeline was designed with only gasoline in mind than the supposedly highly corrosive nature of ethanol. As I said before, ethanol is more corrosive than gasoline, but only slightly; had this been taken into consideration, the pipelines would've been built slightly different, much like how all cars sold in the united states within the last decade were/are required to withstand low levels of ethanol.

Personal experiences have shown ethanol's corrosive properties are a non-issue with modern cars.