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Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
With all due respect, this^ is incorrect. Look at the clutch pedal diagram I posted.
you have to push the clutch to start the car right? when the clutch is released the little rubber stopper pushed the switch and breaks contact in the starter circuit, every honda I've ever seen works like this, push the pedal the rubber stopper moves away from the switch and the contacts close
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by lostforawhile
you have to push the clutch to start the car right? when the clutch is released the little rubber stopper pushed the switch and breaks contact in the starter circuit, every honda I've ever seen works like this
Again, no disrespect, but you really need to look at the clutch pedal diagram from the service manual I posted. Study it.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Again, no disrespect, but you really need to look at the clutch pedal diagram from the service manual I posted. Study it.
right, the clutch switch is normally closed, press it, as when the clutch pedal isn't pushed, and it breaks the circuit to the start circuit, push the pedal, and the circuit is closed in the switch allowing current to flow, the idea is so you push the clutch before starting the car, mine is wired like this, as well as most Hondas, if I wasn't stuck here at the hospital right now I would make a video with an ohmeter, you are thinking the switch makes contact when pushed, it's exactly the opposite, and I don't drink anything
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by superspadez
Here it is
Originally Posted by superspadez
The jumper is good.
It's unclear from the picture whether your jumper wire is properly shorting the connector. Back probe the Blu/Blk and Blk wire in the yellow connector with the key held in ON(III). What voltages do you read at each?
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
It's unclear from the picture whether your jumper wire is properly shorting the connector. Back probe the Blu/Blk and Blk wire in the yellow connector with the key held in ON(III). What voltages do you read at each?
I'll do that tomorrow afternoon and post up the readings. But its good I'm pretty sure. Well I had to move my car to the other side of the road just now cause I didn't want to get a ticket, so my wife and I push started to get it going. Well the thing is that after the car is push started I can turn it off and turn it back on no problem. So I'm sure the jumper wire is good. And the lights kinda pulsated? Like when I put more throttle it gets a little brighter. And when it gets warmed up its fine.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
It's unclear from the picture whether your jumper wire is properly shorting the connector. Back probe the Blu/Blk and Blk wire in the yellow connector with the key held in ON(III). What voltages do you read at each?
Sorry for the super later reply, I got really frustrated with it and took it to a shop. Because the next morning it started?? Lol and I was like OK I dont have to drive my sc300 around and then I parked it and it crapped. So towed it to my main guys shop and he eventually found out what it was.
Starter wasnt grounded enough. ??? Lol im picking it up in a few hours. But I really hope that was the prob. But if noting is acting funny driving home then yessss!!!!. But if it isn't........
Sorry for late reply!!!
Last edited by superspadez; 12-31-2014 at 01:51 AM.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Your tests showed that the starter had good ground (post 42) and that the problem was low voltage to the starter solenoid (post 55). Not sure why you wouldn't believe your own test results.
Last edited by Former User; 12-31-2014 at 08:32 AM.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Your tests showed that the starter had good ground (post 42) and that the problem was low voltage to the starter solenoid (post 55). Not sure why you wouldn't believe your own test results.
It works now? What he did was ground a cable from the neg to the starter and now its fine. Hmmmmmm...maybe its just one of the days that it wants to start?. But thanks ronj@ht for giving me a hand! I appreciate it!!
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by superspadez
It works now? What he did was ground a cable from the neg to the starter and now its fine. Hmmmmmm...maybe its just one of the days that it wants to start?. But thanks ronj@ht for giving me a hand! I appreciate it!!
that means that there is something wrong with one of the engine grounds, starter should ground to the transmission which grounds to the engine.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by lostforawhile
right, the clutch switch is normally closed, press it, as when the clutch pedal isn't pushed, and it breaks the circuit to the start circuit, push the pedal, and the circuit is closed in the switch allowing current to flow, the idea is so you push the clutch before starting the car, mine is wired like this, as well as most Hondas, if I wasn't stuck here at the hospital right now I would make a video with an ohmeter, you are thinking the switch makes contact when pushed, it's exactly the opposite, and I don't drink anything
Just fyi, Ron is correct. The starter clutch switch is not the same as the cruise control, that's probably what you are confusing it with.
When starting the car you need to step on the clutch to allow a ground signal to trigger the relay, no ground signal no start.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by tony_2018
Just fyi, Ron is correct. The starter clutch switch is not the same as the cruise control, that's probably what you are confusing it with.
When starting the car you need to step on the clutch to allow a ground signal to trigger the relay, no ground signal no start.
I was thinking of the earlier cars which have two switches which both break contact when the pedal isn't pressed, some of them also had a single pole double throw type of brake switch which would break the circuit to the cruise when you pressed the brake
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by lostforawhile
I was thinking of the earlier cars which have two switches which both break contact when the pedal isn't pressed, some of them also had a single pole double throw type of brake switch which would break the circuit to the cruise when you pressed the brake
The only sensor I know that would break contact would be the cruise control. For older cars, I'm not sure which generation you're referring to, the 92-95's are just like the integra's and have the same setup as the 96-00 civics, cruise control and a starter cut relay.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by tony_2018
The only sensor I know that would break contact would be the cruise control. For older cars, I'm not sure which generation you're referring to, the 92-95's are just like the integra's and have the same setup as the 96-00 civics, cruise control and a starter cut relay.
80's, older Accords are like that, dual pole brake switch, early 3rd generations have one switch on the clutch and later third generations have a second one for the start interlock,which was added later, but both use the double pole brake switch for the cruise
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
OP listen to Ron. Your test confirmed you had good ground. You are probably going to have the same problem. I would continue his tests. He obviously got you farther than any shop has.
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
have you looked closely at your ground cables? I've seen ones that looked fine, but the wire inside the crimp was corroded all to hell, you shouldn't have to add an extra ground,
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
Originally Posted by superspadez
So far so good.
it may be ok now, but you put a bandaid on the issue, with the factory grounds in place, the starter should work fine, if it's not, adding an extra ground may make it work, but the issue causing this is still there
12-20-2014, 03:42 PM
Re: 99 em1 si with h2b - 5 starters in one month! wtf is happening?
