JayBinNyC88

DAMN my post has become a big issue off the topic but its been fun reading all the posts from the beginning..

fandirabbani08

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elklodgeezra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't go with AEM, go with injen for the intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2, my injen is coming in to replace the aem soon... anyone wanna buy the aem? i have an ad in the FS section...

RICO_

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Striker_1818 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the secondary discussion was the turbo lx i posted as a link which was an off-topic issue when everyone was bashing on base models.
The original discussion was about a quicker take-off for his ex coupe.
So if you haven't been following all the convo's all along, please hush and start reading before you post anything.
Lx is at 16200 + 500 destination + tax = 17,2xx
Si is at 21,100 + 500 destination + tax = 22,2xx
if the amount is less, then the amount paid in tax will be considerably less than paying for a car that costs more. You should learn not all cars are taxed the same.
Also, tax depends on where you live.
That leaves you with a 5K difference
Kit is 3.5K and you have a car that weighs less. Therefore with the basic math that even you can do, you still got 1.5K to spend. In other words, 500 can go to the installation yet you still got one grand more. You also have more power on the wheels, a lighter car, and no more payments while insurance "could be" lower
That's the whole reasoning about this</TD></TR></TABLE>

WRONG. Si isn't that expensive unless you buy it with the markup. I got my Si for $21,777 including tax because I talked the salesman down from a $1000 markup to only $200. Base price of an Si is only about $20,290 base price not $21,000 and the LX is not that cheap. Unless you're extremely good at negotiating.

And i know how tax rates work. Smaller price smaller tax everybody knows that.

So lets use "cnyej1"s example and say the final price is $17355 + tax. Not sure of the tax rate where you are but down here it is 6.25%. so now you're at $18439.

Now add in the kit which you said was 3.5K and 500 for installation and you're now at $22,439 and that's not even including the tax on 4k for the kit and installation. And lets just assume that tuning was thrown in with the installation so no charge for that.

And just for kicks let's just assume that you were a godly negotiator and got the price of your LX down to $16,200. Then (with 6.25% tax) you would be at $17,807 including destination. Add the turbo and installation.....$21,807

So now you're above the final price I paid for MY Si. Now other people's price will probably be different as they probably had to pay 1,2, or even more on markup, but i'm just using myself as an example.

And I won't even get started on the handling comparisons between the two cars (I think that explains itself) and the possibility that it would be wise to upgrade your braking system because of the addition of the turbo.

You could have used that 4 grand as a down payment on an Si and gotten a really good deal. But I guess you really wanted turbo so more power to you. Just because the Si is more expensive doesn't mean it's a worse buy than a base model. It's more expensive for alot more reasons than just engine power. That's the part you failed to recognize .


Modified by RICO_ at 5:49 AM 1/11/2007


Modified by RICO_ at 6:06 AM 1/11/2007

cnyej1

Rico makes a pretty good point.

The Answer

LX /Si

2007 Honda Civic LX Styles
MSRP: $16,760 - $17,560

2007 Honda Civic Si Styles
MSRP: $21,090 - $23,040

The Answer

Good pricing breakdown, and nice final price on your Si your salesman must have went home crying.

cojaro

Some people don't want the Si.

Almost the same thing as why some people by a TL and others buy a TL Type S

RICO_

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elklodgeezra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good pricing breakdown, and nice final price on your Si your salesman must have went home crying.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well i'm sure he a little bit out of the deal regardless. But they kept tryin to talk me into accessories and I wouldn't bite. lol

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cojaro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some people don't want the Si.

Almost the same thing as why some people by a TL and others buy a TL Type S</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right. Some people don't want the Si. But the TL is a totally different car. IMO they should make a TL Type S cause it's more of a family-oriented car even though it still hauls ***.

cnyej1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You're right. Some people don't want the Si. But the TL is a totally different car. IMO they should make a TL Type S cause it's more of a family-oriented car even though it still hauls ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>

They have a TL type S already.

cnyej1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cojaro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some people don't want the Si.

Almost the same thing as why some people by a TL and others buy a TL Type S</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh yeah I completely understand that, but were discussing from a Cost standpoint. To get the performance of an Si you are going to end up spending more than if you would have just went out and bought one.

The Answer

......Agreed

Now let's all get along.

cnyej1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elklodgeezra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">......Agreed

Now let's all get along.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Answer

So, opinion wise, upgrading engine on the auto civic.....
1. Injen Cold Air Intake
2. Exhaust, downpipe.
3. Lightweight rims, better tires.
4. Suspension upgrades.
5. If you plan on going turbo ignore #1

cnyej1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elklodgeezra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, opinion wise, upgrading engine on the auto civic.....
1. Injen Cold Air Intake
2. Exhaust, downpipe.
3. Lightweight rims, better tires.
4. Suspension upgrades.
5. If you plan on going turbo ignore #1</TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds about right.

WILD_WILL

People dont buy the r18 motor's which include the ex,lx,dx for performance stop trying to make them look like SI's you will just get laughed at and be called a ricer. If you wanted performance you should have bought a SI suck it up then trade your r18 for a SI and join the winning team if thats the case your making 06 + SI owners look bad by pretending that your base model is something its not.

Type X

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WILD_WILL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People dont buy the r18 motor's which include the ex,lx,dx for performance stop trying to make them look like SI's you will just get laughed at and be called a ricer. If you wanted performance you should have bought a SI suck it up then trade your r18 for a SI and join the winning team if thats the case your making 06 + SI owners look bad by pretending that your base model is something its not.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Will keep in mind YOU Paid nearly 29k for a honda civic si.
which is in s2k territory...
so if you want to be relative

ex + si parts (markup) = Si
SI + HFP parts (markup) = S2k.

To each is own.. Si isn't the "winning team" and its that attitude that brings down the community as a whole... if it wasn't for other models selling so good.. the si wouldn't ever have been designed.

R18_believer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WILD_WILL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People dont buy the r18 motor's which include the ex,lx,dx for performance stop trying to make them look like SI's you will just get laughed at and be called a ricer. If you wanted performance you should have bought a SI suck it up then trade your r18 for a SI and join the winning team if thats the case your making 06 + SI owners look bad by pretending that your base model is something its not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like Sean John said, NoN-si owners didnt buy the Si cus they didnt have the means to, or for other reasons. I chose the 06 cus i fell in love with the body style and the color, overall i love the car. friends would compliment me constantly, im satisfied.

dpao6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R18_believer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like Sean John said, NoN-si owners didnt buy the Si cus they didnt have the means to, or for other reasons. I chose the 06 cus i fell in love with the body style and the color, overall i love the car. friends would compliment me constantly, im satisfied.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ditto. I enjoy the $22 fill ups for now, using 87 octane gas. And when it boiled down to it, only you and I and others in the 06 Civic community can even tell a difference, most any other random passerby's have ONLY given me thumbs up, and I kid you not on that comment. They don't know what model Civic I have, they just know they like the body style.

Striker_1818

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

WRONG. Si isn't that expensive unless you buy it with the markup. I got my Si for $21,777 including tax because I talked the salesman down from a $1000 markup to only $200. Base price of an Si is only about $20,290 base price not $21,000 and the LX is not that cheap. Unless you're extremely good at negotiating.

And i know how tax rates work. Smaller price smaller tax everybody knows that.

So lets use "cnyej1"s example and say the final price is $17355 + tax. Not sure of the tax rate where you are but down here it is 6.25%. so now you're at $18439.

Now add in the kit which you said was 3.5K and 500 for installation and you're now at $22,439 and that's not even including the tax on 4k for the kit and installation. And lets just assume that tuning was thrown in with the installation so no charge for that.

And just for kicks let's just assume that you were a godly negotiator and got the price of your LX down to $16,200. Then (with 6.25% tax) you would be at $17,807 including destination. Add the turbo and installation.....$21,807

So now you're above the final price I paid for MY Si. Now other people's price will probably be different as they probably had to pay 1,2, or even more on markup, but i'm just using myself as an example.

And I won't even get started on the handling comparisons between the two cars (I think that explains itself) and the possibility that it would be wise to upgrade your braking system because of the addition of the turbo.

You could have used that 4 grand as a down payment on an Si and gotten a really good deal. But I guess you really wanted turbo so more power to you. Just because the Si is more expensive doesn't mean it's a worse buy than a base model. It's more expensive for alot more reasons than just engine power. That's the part you failed to recognize .


Modified by RICO_ at 5:49 AM 1/11/2007


Modified by RICO_ at 6:06 AM 1/11/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry to bring back this thread =D
get real u won't be paying the same or close the amount on taxes for an si which at MSRP it's 21,100 excluding tax and destination charge which is 500 more. Furthermore, your price at $21,777 including taxes then hook us up bc now THAT is a deal.it'd be 21,600 on MSRP and destination itself. Unless you've been smoking grass or maybe punched some numbers wrong that'd an absurd price unless you paid invoice and then taxes...
LX = 16,200
Si = 21,090
almost 5K without taxes...
5K after taxes...
BTW nice double editing

elohel

Since this has already been bumped..

@ Wills comment on the "Winning team" - That is just.. dumb. It's comments like that which bring fights between Base models and SI's. SI's aren't the "winning team", the car isn't even considered fast. As a random person once put it, the SI is the cream of the cheap crop. It's a quick car, nothing more.

But in reguards to this whole post. Yes, there are many reasons to buy the E/L/DX over the SI, and they all make great points. Cheaper price, better gas mileage, etc. BUT when you start arguing that those are your reasons for buying it, and then saying it's a better car once turbo'd, you must the rest of us base model owners look like fools. If you want performance, go SI instead of bashing them and saying your SI-priced base model after a turbo is a comparative vehicle. You have now just voided your warranty to just "pull" on an SI.

All in all, we all own great cars. However, if you bought anything other than the SI, you just make us all look stupid by saying how bad the SI is. It's a well built car, quick (not fast will!), and is more geared towards performance. The base models are all fantastic, but quit whining about how much better they can be than the SI. It's a losing battle.

Oh and this too...

"Will keep in mind YOU Paid nearly 29k for a honda civic si."

-Ownt

Striker_1818

damn 29K for an si...i paid 22,xxx+ i dont remember lol

RICO_

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Striker_1818 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sorry to bring back this thread =D
get real u won't be paying the same or close the amount on taxes for an si which at MSRP it's 21,100 excluding tax and destination charge which is 500 more. Furthermore, your price at $21,777 including taxes then hook us up bc now THAT is a deal.it'd be 21,600 on MSRP and destination itself. Unless you've been smoking grass or maybe punched some numbers wrong that'd an absurd price unless you paid invoice and then taxes...
LX = 16,200
Si = 21,090
almost 5K without taxes...
5K after taxes...
BTW nice double editing </TD></TR></TABLE>

WRONG!!! Observe......

Si base MSRP is $20,290. If you were unlucky enough to pay $21,100 it is because the dealer either lied to you about the MSRP or they added on options or a markup. I simply told the dealer i wasn't gonna stand for the markup. So i ended up paying $20,490 for the actual car. Factor in tax which down here is 6.25% for autos and the final price is $21,770, $22,365 w/ destination charge.

There's nothing hard about it. Plus you also have to factor in all the suspension mods he'll have to do to get his car to handle like an Si as well. There's just no comparison. If he has all that power and no way of controlling it, then he might as well just drive right off a cliff.

hcvc05

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

WRONG!!! Observe......

Si base MSRP is $20,290. If you were unlucky enough to pay $21,100 it is because the dealer either lied to you about the MSRP or they added on options or a markup. I simply told the dealer i wasn't gonna stand for the markup. So i ended up paying $20,490 for the actual car. Factor in tax which down here is 6.25% for autos and the final price is $21,770, $22,365 w/ destination charge.

There's nothing hard about it. Plus you also have to factor in all the suspension mods he'll have to do to get his car to handle like an Si as well. There's just no comparison. If he has all that power and no way of controlling it, then he might as well just drive right off a cliff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im not on either side but how everyone proves something to their advantage depending on the car the have is kind of funny. But in the end you got what you got for a reason and stop trying to put anyone else down. I thought this site was for questions on working on your car and not trash talking which is very uncool and childish if you ask me

cnyej1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WRONG!!! Observe......

Si base MSRP is $20,290. If you were unlucky enough to pay $21,100 it is because the dealer either lied to you about the MSRP or they added on options or a markup. I simply told the dealer i wasn't gonna stand for the markup. So i ended up paying $20,490 for the actual car. Factor in tax which down here is 6.25% for autos and the final price is $21,770, $22,365 w/ destination charge.

There's nothing hard about it. Plus you also have to factor in all the suspension mods he'll have to do to get his car to handle like an Si as well. There's just no comparison. If he has all that power and no way of controlling it, then he might as well just drive right off a cliff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Base MSRP on 07's is $21090. Thats probably what hes referring to.

RICO_

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hcvc05 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Im not on either side but how everyone proves something to their advantage depending on the car the have is kind of funny. But in the end you got what you got for a reason and stop trying to put anyone else down. I thought this site was for questions on working on your car and not trash talking which is very uncool and childish if you ask me </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not trash-talking or putting anyone down. I'm just stating facts. Did i tell him he's an idiot? <U>NO</U>. Did i call him a dumbass? <U>NO</U>. Did i say the base models suck? <U>NO</U>. I'm just stating numbers bro.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cnyej1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Base MSRP on 07's is $21090. Thats probably what hes referring to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh i see. Yeah the new ones have the VSA. But yeah mine is an '06. I don't put myself in situations where VSA would be necessary.