95accordian

tim: it was definitely the timing belt we were trying something that really wasn't gunna work from the start but we gave it a shot and it ripped. it ripped by the cam gear. yeah that's one of the things we tried but there was still a lot of movement in the balancer and we had a crow bar pushing the other way it didn't help.

dj: thanks I ended up buying the tool from advanced auto for 25$ and then after we tried everything I just returned it no questions asked.

holmes: no it was the timing belt, serp belt and ps were removed and put to the side

stl: yeah I got the tool which seemed like the wrong size cause of the amount of play in it. we had to breaker bars a 5ft pipe and still couldn't do it with for people helping. it ive broken a 10" extension and a ratchet. although the torch we didn't try because we were afraid it might mess something up.

95accordian

Here's how the weekend went.

cptbarkey

harborfreight earthquake air ratchet behind an 8 gallon compressor takes mine off after beating it for about 2-3 minutes.

STL Honda

I got the wife's hot enough to start melting the timing cover. Check out my kids standing back waiting for another extension to break lol.

95accordian

cpt. hah my uncle was telling me about that and once we heard the name, we decided that it meant business ha.

stl: that's exactly why i didn't want to use heat! but you have quite a long extension, no pun intended. and your kids made the right choice to stand back, it was pretty intense!!

MAD_MIKE

That is a long extension. I would advise no longer than a 18", 1/2" drive extension.
Support the extension like you did, but stand on the breaker bar with one leg, and then slowly jounce it ala diving board movement. This has worked for me on two cars, gentle up and down motion with 200+lbs on the end of the breaker bar has worked for me.

If the extension is too long you waste quite a bit of energy in twisting the extension, just like a torsion spring. Reduce the length removes this spring action, and allows for more direct application of energy to do work. Also being closer to the car allows you to hold onto the car while breaking the bolt free. A bit safer IMO if something breaks it will most likely end up in the wheel well and you can safely rest on the car, rather than have flying shrapenel and eat pavement or worse the jackstand

Bird333

Sorry you had such trouble. That bolt is a bitch.

95accordian

mad, I had a 10" and it snapped, but I do agree that the longer extension will cause you to lose quite a bit of power.

bird, thanks you win some, you lose some what are you gunna do.. unfortunately I lost!!!

holmesnmanny

guiz, you want as short of an extension as possible...the reason it breaks is the longer you have an extension the less torque you get...i got an extension that barely clears the fender...it wasn't exactly easy but it broke free with the first and only breaker bar/metal pipe cheater bar combo I used.

Edited: sorry mike I basically reiterated what you already said.

95accordian

holmes: thats all i was trying to do was clear the fender and i knew that the longer the extension the less amount of power, but it needed to be done for the resources that i had to use. and i had about a 2 foot breaker bar and a 5' pipe with 2 people moving in that motion, and still couldn't get it.

djkurious

Do just like this:




Use impact 1/2 extension(s). I have never had one fail with this method.
Your extensions are too long.

95accordian

that 110% the setup I had and extra. I had the jackstand to hold the extension up, I had someone pushing opposite on the motor, nothing worked. and we had impact, ect.

djkurious

Did you just barely clear the fender? What about extensions, are they impact?

95accordian

yeah, I had one snapped then got another one, and no not impact I think they were just standard

twentyhurtz

Just did my 90' accord this weekend, actually finishing up on it now. FML - I lost the service bolt that you stick a rod in to lock the rear balance gear in place. Anyways... I hit the bolt with my impact for a long time, no luck. Hit it with one of those benzomatic torches that you can get at walmart / parts store for about 20 seconds, and then immediately hit it with the impact, bolt came out within first second of hitting it with impact.

95accordian

oh dang that's no good! yeah that bolt was a pain, but im glad it worked out for you. I had to give up on it has time was getting short and it was my daily and only car, so I just had it towed to my parents mechanic. but thanks for the advice ill know now for future projects.

tim73

I have a 3/4" drive breaker bar, and an extension, along with a 17 and 19mm socket. They get the job done every time. Of course, the impact is always better.

95accordian

so basically youre saying the bigger the better?

and is there anyway I can find out if they timed it right without taking it apart? well there be hesitation? a noise? loss of power?

when I started it right now it took a little to crank over idk if its cause the belt or cause its cold out?

tim73

3/4" drive vs 1/2" drive is much better for nasty fasteners. They flex alot less, so more of your torque goes to the bolt, instead of twisting the extensions. Theyre expensive though.

Hidenplanvew

I had a Accord with a V6 that nothing would work ok... I have the holder and all kinds of breaker bars and nothing worked. Got pissed, said screw it, if I brake something I will just get used parts from a local junk yard. Stuck a 19mm socket on the bolt and braced the bar on the ground. Pop the starter and the bolt broke free, didnt have a single problem after that. I would say that would be a last draw kind of action but when you are getting paid flat rate you have to do what you have to do.

tim73

I dont know first hand, I always thought that hondas rotated CCW, so i would never try this, becasue it will only tighten up the bolt. Or break it. From my understanding, if the engine is on the drivers side(Hondas) it wont work, but other manufacturers who put their engines on the passenger side, it works.

Hidenplanvew

nope it will work

MAD_MIKE

Not on F/H engines. They rotate 'backwards' which if using the conventional starter 'trick' would cause the bolt to tighten, not loosen.
On the V6's this works because they rotate clockwise.

95accordian

funny you say that cause that is some thing that we thought of, so we tried it and it did not work at all cause the rotation was the opposite way


you are correct this trick DOES NOT work

you should be MAD MIKE THE SCIENTIST, you seem to help me out with everything that I have needed help on. but yeah this idea was terrible one.
thanks

TouringAccord

hmm, you would be correct MAD_MIKE, I will have to see about fixing that.

in the meantime however... op, the write-up thread still has quite a bit of good info if you read through it, and here is a link to the write-up in pdf form..
http://www.iammike.org/htmods/HowToR...-WaterPump.pdf

edit: I took a look at the thread again but this time I opened it with a different browser, the pictures work. I usually use Firefox with ad blocking add-ons so I opened the page with Internet Explorer and the page displays correctly.