00EckoSI

After talking to a guy at this shop by my town where i live he proposed two options to me and i was wondering what would be the best option..you opinion is greatly appriciated.

Option 1 was to do a factory rebuild on my b16a2 in my 2000 SI for 4000 with labor parts everything including pulling it out and putting it in

option 2 was he has a SPOON Crate Engine in his shop with 20XXX miles and wants 3800 for it

what do you guys think

rick_rabies

omgosh..stay away from that guy.
whats wrong with your motor now?...besides it being a B16?
you want more power. you want lower miles? go to www.hmotorsonline.com or www.tigerjapense.com
no such thing as a spoon crate motor for 3800. spoon makes motors but they are v8s and v10s for formula cars

Scott.

iTrader: (1)

lol
"They're going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines."

00EckoSI

spoon does make engine fors hondas...they take stock motors and balance and blueprint everything internal

rick_rabies

i know but for 3800? thats not making a motor, thats rebuilding one
you could just buy and itr motor for that, and those are hand built from the factory

00EckoSI

with 20xxx miles?

rick_rabies

^true, i guess that almost a deal, but is that still a b16 and would it still all be oem?
our question is..
are you wanting to be cool?
you want more power?
or do you want something newer?

00EckoSI

i want some power and i want something that dont have 100xxx miles either

Robs_B18c

iTrader: (1)

Does the spoon engine look like this?

http://www.inlinefour.com/spoonbserena.html

rick_rabies

^thats a rediculous amount of money to spend on a new build...but whatever floats your boat. sell it all and buy a boat

00EckoSI

i dont know what it looks like yet i just called the shop yesterday..i havent saw anything yet

grass

If you can’t fix your motor yourself and don’t know of anyone to help you. I would still look for someone cheaper than that guy. Spoon motors are nice I have driven an ek hatch with one before it was a b18c and it was extremely smooth, but they better be for the price.

FlewByU352

Really for the money the Spoon Engines arent bad in price. Only because its is a brand new motor! Never been used, go buy a motor from Honda that has 0 miles and never been used I bet its more than that and it wouldnt be balanced that precise. However I think it is a waste of money, if they raised the compression and did headwork yeah it would be nice but honsetly do you think a Spoon JDM B18C-R is going to outrun a regular JDM B18C-R? I think the differences would be so minimal it wouldnt be easy to tell which is which. Obviously the Spoon I would assume feels a little smoother but if it puts out the same HP? $3800 seems way too cheap for a genuine Spoon motor.

newtron63h

ok so from what i can tell a spoon engine doesnt have improved performance........its just balanced and blueprinted(which is just making tolerances tighter and more uniform)...........so i dont see the real advantage over a rebuilt engine in a street car.

honestly if it were me and i had the money for either of those options........id get a jdm b16 and swap it in.....for ALOT less. then you can build your engine on your own time.

thats my suggestion

d16y8iceberg

hey theres nothing wrong with B16s!

VTECROAR96typeR

uh yeah there is.. my ek came with a b16b, and thats from a CTR and that thing was slow as hell compared to my b18c, I can only imagine how slow the b16a is

GrenadaEG2

What he said.

Anyway. For the money they want for said spoon engine you could just rebuild your stock motor with all OE parts, as thats all you would be getting in the Spoon motor, have a good machine shop blueprint and balance it for you. Now you have a ZERO miles engine with enough coin left to pick up a $400 ITR valve cover that has been painted yellow.

Deetz

Meh, coming from a B20Z powered civic to a B16A powered one, i'd rather have the more powerful engine....way more fun to drive, and definitely faster!!!

The B16 from my EM1 is being yanked out very soon!

As far as the OP, Spoon engine is good, but a rip, go with a least a B18C, you won't be disappointed

d16y8turbo

Is there anything wrong with the engine you have now? Just curious.

Also, with regards to the spoon engine...if it doesn't idle like crap it isn't fast =p

I bet a smooth engine would barely be noticeable in a street car anyways; stick with a rebuild.

HONDERO90

BRO I LIVE IN FLORIDA I KNOW 3 GUYS THAT BUILD HONDAS.THEY ARE VERY GOOD ON HONDAS/ACURAS.THE GUY THAT OWN A SHOP ON KISSIMMEE HE GOT AN EG HATCH LS/VTEC ALL MOTOR FULLY BUILT HE TOLD MY FRIEND OUT OF COUNTING $2500 FULLY BUILT HE BUY THE PARTS AND TAKE THE MOTOR TO THE SHOP AND THE LABOR IS ONLY $650.THE 2 GUY HAVE A GREEN EG HATCH B16 TYPE R TURBO FULLY BUILT WITH ONLY 22PSI HE IS RUNNING 10'S IF YOU GO TO YOUTUBE PUT NEGRY 16 TURBO U SEE HIM.I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE WILL CHARGE YOU.BUT LOW BUDGET THE IS RUNNING FAST.THE 3 GUY IS MY FRIEND HE BUILDS ANYTHING FROM BSERIES TO K SERIES.I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE WILL CHARGE YOU.

andrewn978

good for youuu

rick_rabies

yelling about yourself...thats funny.

00EckoSI

i alredy have a b16 in my car ...

GrenadaEG2

OP what is wrong with the B16 that you have now ? Have you done a comp/leak down test on it ? Going with a used JDM motor or that "Spoon" motor, you may end up getting a used engine that has lower miles but is in worse condition than what you have. At the moment I have a B16 with 159xxx on the clock, less than 1 lb variance between cyl. and less than 1% leak down on all cyl. Lower miles doesnt always = it is a healthy engine.
Who is to say that 80% of the 20,000 miles on that "Spoon" motor were not speant on a track having the sh@t beat out of it ?

00EckoSI

it just needs rebuilt its burning oil and smokes some it needs rings for sure...i was gonna pull out my motor and sell it and put more money to a swap