junkyard racer

Lets stir up the rumor mill about the upcoming Civic Si and Type R.

With the limited amount of information that has been confirmed for the Si and R, most of what's discussed at this point is complete speculation. The Geneva Motor Show is coming up next week, and more concrete info should be released then.

Things I am aware of:

Type R:
Confirmed to be coming to the US in a couple of variations
Confirmed to have the 2.0 turbo that the current R has, possibly with more power
Should be released spring/summer 2017, likely as a 2018 MY
Likely be a coupe and 4dr hatchback model; some outlets saying that the hatchback will wear the Acura badge
Likely 6-spd only

Si:
Should be available as a coupe, hatchback, and sedan
Should be available with detuned 2.0 R motor
6-spd will be available, possible sport-CVT or dual clutch offering
Will be available as a 2017 MY likely late summer, early fall time frame 2016
Should be a global market vehicle

Let the rumor mill begin to turn!

tony_2018

Type -R will be a 5dr hatch. They've stated that somewhere. The design of the type R is whats questionable.

edit: the SI will either be a 2dr coupe or a sedan. They've already been doing this.

Traum

If we go back to Oct 2015 here:

2018 Honda Civic Type R Spy Shots

There were already reports of spyshots for the 2018 (?) Civic Type R. If you were to look at the images there (or just below for a quick one):



You can see that the CTR's lines are nearly identical to the ones on the 2017 (?) hatch here:

https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-2...shots-3271412/



It should also be noted that the 9th gen Civic Type R (2015+) that is not available in N.America reportedly uses the K20C1 engine, while the 2016 10th gen Civic base car uses the K20C1 engine. Is this just a matter of Honda bolting an iron snail to the engine and calling it a day? While I highly doubt that, at least it is interesting to see that the 2 engines should share a lot of commonalities.

Design

Since there's been little progress in the rumor dept, I'll stake my predictions here as well.

Si
- Sedan and Coupe only
- Mid range K20C, 230-260 HP. Revised valvetrain for better balance of fuel efficiency vs. performance.
- Black grill with revised front opening for a slightly bigger FMIC; raised rear valance with inserts for exhaust.
- Taller/wider spoiler
- 18" alloys
- Bigger ARBs with stiffer springs/dampers
- 6 spd with LSD and traditional e-brake
- Custom Si seats/shift ****/guages/steering wheel
- Two trims; one similar to EX-T and one similar to Touring with LEDs/Navi

CTR

- Hatch only
- Mildly evolved K20C1 from 9th Gen CTR; similar output and configuration
- Revised front and rear aero over base/Si; hood scoop to assist in engine bay vacuum (heat)
- Complete "extreme" treatment of chassis, suspension and interior consistent with Honda's R branding.

tony_2018

Reading the article I have this to say

The usdm version of the type R needs to go through the same test. The jdm/ukdm chassis, suspension and engine combo has proven worthy. The usdm version was quickly put together not too long ago and they are expecting it to behave the same as this version of the type R? Whatever...

ZygSpeed

Looking forward to it, i.e., the new US CTR.

Will probably keep my 06 Si as a daily driver/winter beater, and for primary driver insurance purposes.
My Piper Motorsports caged and InlinePro turbo'd 98 ITR will serve as primary track beast.

Traum

Civic Si Spotted

Honda Civic Si spotted looking sporty but mature - Autoblog

Coles notes summary:

- (slightly?) revised front fascia
- something resembling an FMIC, which in turn suggests a 2.0T engine in the car
- central exit exhaust
- 6 speed manual
- front sports buckets with huge side bolsters


My only question is -- please don't tell me the Si trim level will only be available as a coupe?

tony_2018

I see nothing different about it except for the exhaust.

junkyard racer

I'm expecting a sedan Si offering.

Here's to hoping the LA Auto Show gives us more details.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

I bet they go back to the coupe only SI. More "traditional"

George Knighton

We've had four door Si for a while, now.

Two-door only, you're going back to the EP3, aren't you? Not exactly the most memorable moment in Honda history! :-)

(Mind you, I thought the EP3 was fine, and owned one. They were just ridiculously overpriced when they first came out.)

JRCivic1

The EP3 was a 3-DR hatchback. The previous "Coupe only" Si model would have been the EM1... '99-00 Civic Si 2-DR Coupe. The 8th Generation Civic was the first model that had TWO distinctly different body style Si models... all previous generations had only one. 1988-91 = 3-DR Hatch, 1992-95 = 3-DR Hatch, 1999-00 = 2-DR Coupe, 2002-05 = 3-DR Hatch.

CheezeFrog

I'm confused about this one. Does the 1.5T not have a FMIC as well?

George Knighton

Okay. Well, let me rephrase this. :-)

We've had four door Civic Si since 2006, right? Over a decade, now.

So, considering that all components would fit in both the Coupe and Sedan variants, why would we not have an Si Sedan? Even if it doesn't sell a lot by itself, you're still selling more than you'd sell if you limited it to the Coupe, right?

ZygSpeed

I have an '06 Si, and am quite sure that first year they were coupe only.

Additionally, it seems there were only a limited number of these early Civic Type R versions built, and the upcoming US/North American CTR cars are still to be built in England (correct me if I'm wrong).

P.S. Recently had my mailing address corrected with Honda/Acura Client Relations.

JRCivic1

Actually, the Si sedan was released in 2007, but your point is still valid. The 8th Generation Civic (2006-2011) was the first model to have TWO body styles with the "Si" trim available and the 9th Generation Civic (2012-2015) mirrored this new trend... all previous Generations had only ONE distinct body style in "Si" trim. So the question is does the trend continue or does Honda return to the previous blueprint of having a single body style carrying the "Si" moniker. More choices brings more buyers... we wait and see. Incidentally, Motor Trend's 2017 New Car Buyers Guide only discusses the Coupe version of the Si coming soon... there is no mention of a Sedan.

Traum

From my reading, I was under the impression that the Si will definitely come as a 4-door hatch. As far as I see, to not offer the Si in that body style would be a disaster -- the worthy competitors are offering their tarted up econo boxes as hatches -- think GTI, FiST / FoST, and those cars seem to do reasonably well. Even Toyota is trying to sell their Corolla hatch / Auris / iM as a sporty car despite it being an absolute dynamic failure. Honda is certainly capable of making some very stupid mistakes, but for their sake, I hope they won't do this again.

So we'll have both the 4-door hatch and the coupe as the Si. I would expect the Si to come as a sedan as well since it should add very little work on their end. And we all know N.Americans *love* their sedans.

George Knighton

I don't know what they're doing, and I know I won't buy one. I've just gone past that stage.

But I still wish they'd hurry up. :-) I can't wait.

junkyard racer

Grandpa George. Glad to see you here

Automotive News is reporting the Si will get a 1.5t. I can't provide a link because I am blocked from the site due to too many views per day. I will post a link tomorrow.

JRCivic1

Traum, all indicators suggest that the Civic Type R will be a 5-door hatch. This actually fits the platform model that you illustrated because the CTR, like the Focus RS and the Fiesta ST, being the pinnacle of their models, are hatchbacks. Junkyard racer, I hope you (and Automotive News) are wrong because that engine combination will not be nearly as desirable as the 2.0L powertrain.

sjg88

the Si of today is the same size as a late 90s accord

ZygSpeed

Spoke to sales manager and salesman at my local Honda dealership yesterday, and he's of the opinion the "Type R" version of the Civic would be on sale here next fall, with the "Si" appearing here prior to that next spring.

George Knighton

yup

if we had any common sense we'd all be driving Fits

but, well, common sense...and stuff....

:-)

Caoboy

Fits with K swaps

George Knighton

Radical alteration of the polar moment of inertia?

0_o

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