Kinda have myself in a pickle
02-04-2008, 08:52 AM
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Kinda have myself in a pickle
anybody have a photo of a bare block/head with all of the sensors and everything visible, I forgot to take photos before i removed everything to have it hot tanked. It would help out a ton.
02-04-2008, 09:09 AM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (dmotoguy)
The way the plugs are it's pretty hard to plug one in to the wrong sensor...
You'll find that once you lay the harness down around the re-installed motor it's next to impossible to expletive up.
no pics sorry...
Would prob. help if you mentioned what chassis and motor though
You'll find that once you lay the harness down around the re-installed motor it's next to impossible to expletive up.
no pics sorry...
Would prob. help if you mentioned what chassis and motor though
02-04-2008, 09:16 AM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (dmotoguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The way the plugs are it's pretty hard to plug one in to the wrong sensor...
You'll find that once you lay the harness down around the re-installed motor it's next to impossible to expletive up.
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That's a great way to mix up IAT/IACV/purge solenoid plugs on an OBD1 setup. Welcome to melted IAT and destroyed ECU where Q31 goes and burns a hole in the motherboard.
You'll find that once you lay the harness down around the re-installed motor it's next to impossible to expletive up.
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That's a great way to mix up IAT/IACV/purge solenoid plugs on an OBD1 setup. Welcome to melted IAT and destroyed ECU where Q31 goes and burns a hole in the motherboard.
02-04-2008, 09:38 AM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (Joseph Davis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's a great way to mix up IAT/IACV/purge solenoid plugs on an OBD1 setup. Welcome to melted IAT and destroyed ECU where Q31 goes and burns a hole in the motherboard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dont mind him, he's just having HMTforum withdrawl symtoms.
Take a picture of the sensors you have, abd we can point which to where.
That's a great way to mix up IAT/IACV/purge solenoid plugs on an OBD1 setup. Welcome to melted IAT and destroyed ECU where Q31 goes and burns a hole in the motherboard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dont mind him, he's just having HMTforum withdrawl symtoms.
Take a picture of the sensors you have, abd we can point which to where.
02-04-2008, 10:30 AM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (Joseph Davis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's a great way to mix up IAT/IACV/purge solenoid plugs on an OBD1 setup. Welcome to melted IAT and destroyed ECU where Q31 goes and burns a hole in the motherboard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's funny not a single time that I"ve taken my head off or swapped intakes or pulled and replaced a motor have I EVER had so much as a single question as to where ANY of the plugs went...
What chassis/engine are you talking about... I've worked on my 93 ex with a z6 and a couple older preludes... never saw a spot where you could swap a connector if you tried.
That's a great way to mix up IAT/IACV/purge solenoid plugs on an OBD1 setup. Welcome to melted IAT and destroyed ECU where Q31 goes and burns a hole in the motherboard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's funny not a single time that I"ve taken my head off or swapped intakes or pulled and replaced a motor have I EVER had so much as a single question as to where ANY of the plugs went...
What chassis/engine are you talking about... I've worked on my 93 ex with a z6 and a couple older preludes... never saw a spot where you could swap a connector if you tried.
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02-04-2008, 10:57 AM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (NonovUrbizniz)
That's funny, I'm a thousand vehicles deeper than you are and I've seen a bit more than one stock Civic and some B20/B21... hhich I could tell you some wacky valvetrain interchanges with LS that would make your head spin and make everyone selling P8R for more than $50 angry with me. But, I digress.
You haven't worked on many/any OBD1 Civic/Integra to see the different locations of IAT and purge solenoid, 3-5 inches apart on some of them, with IACV being another but less frequent danger on other chassis. Unless you know your wiring colors and OBD1 pinout, or know the danger, the impulse is to "try" it out and see. Some people get lucky and only the IAT burns up, and the ECU takes it like a good little bitch. Those people are in the single digit percentile.
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That's just one page of four *unique* threads on the topic that the search function turned up. Just to belabor the point if you go back to the very earliest posts on the topic, where a cause/effect solution is defined, will have me as the author.
You may or may not like the way I correct you, but that's your problem and you'll have to get over it. It's not like I'm surfing your post history; I clicked on a random top page thread and called it like I see it. Which is usually correct, as I'm one of the original Honda web prescences dating back to '97 before the Hybrid board had a Back Alley, and I generated a significant portion of the tech and knowledge available today.
You haven't worked on many/any OBD1 Civic/Integra to see the different locations of IAT and purge solenoid, 3-5 inches apart on some of them, with IACV being another but less frequent danger on other chassis. Unless you know your wiring colors and OBD1 pinout, or know the danger, the impulse is to "try" it out and see. Some people get lucky and only the IAT burns up, and the ECU takes it like a good little bitch. Those people are in the single digit percentile.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2072368
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2063457
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2041626
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1998822
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2011210
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2002961
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1985260
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1902922
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1887776
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1884713
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1866243
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1865436
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1833249
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1735945
That's just one page of four *unique* threads on the topic that the search function turned up. Just to belabor the point if you go back to the very earliest posts on the topic, where a cause/effect solution is defined, will have me as the author.
You may or may not like the way I correct you, but that's your problem and you'll have to get over it. It's not like I'm surfing your post history; I clicked on a random top page thread and called it like I see it. Which is usually correct, as I'm one of the original Honda web prescences dating back to '97 before the Hybrid board had a Back Alley, and I generated a significant portion of the tech and knowledge available today.
02-04-2008, 11:56 AM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (Joseph Davis)
lol... I wasn't expletiveing with you... I just thought it was funny that all the honda/acura's that I've seen were so well thought out and straight forward and that apprently the rest are not...
I'll clear things up... You Joseph Davis are christ re-incarnate... Honda's wouldn't be half as cool if it wasn't for you and your goldmine of information...
ALL HAIL JD... Can we get to a point where you don't fly off the handle and cry like a girl everytime I post in a thread now?
OP:
Don't listen to my original post. apparently I was wrong.
You mentioned the engine/obd but what chassis, ECU, and harness???
I'll clear things up... You Joseph Davis are christ re-incarnate... Honda's wouldn't be half as cool if it wasn't for you and your goldmine of information...
ALL HAIL JD... Can we get to a point where you don't fly off the handle and cry like a girl everytime I post in a thread now?
OP:
Don't listen to my original post. apparently I was wrong.
You mentioned the engine/obd but what chassis, ECU, and harness???
02-04-2008, 12:16 PM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (NonovUrbizniz)
the engine I have is all i need to know, i only need to make sure I have the sensors threaded into the right holes on th block/head, the reason it is a problem for me is that my engine is in one shop and my car is at my other, so I cant just put the engine in and figure it out, and my books dont have good photos.
02-04-2008, 02:41 PM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (NonovUrbizniz)
Chill out, dude. You attacked me in the FPR thread, and I detected a little snip in your tone in this thread so I laid it out in bold type for you.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You mentioned the engine/obd but what chassis, ECU, and harness???</TD></TR></TABLE>
OBD1 is a platform and a pinout that, oddballs like the P07/VX and the IACV pinout swap on some OBD1 Accords aside, is universal. So, OBD1 ECU means any Civic/Integra unit except the P07/VX.
Chassis and harness vary wildly depending on what is swapped where. Sometimes the harness stays in the chassis, sometimes not. Sometimes it's taken off a third vehicle out of left field.
Much like the FPR thread where you were beating on my for model and year... I neither know nor care. I don't approach solutions from an out of the box perspective, sorry, about the only thing I can call model/year/etc on is D-series timing parts as I've been screwed too many times by D15/D16A/D16Z/D16Y8 parts combos that throw the engine completely out of time. If you ever have a D16 problem I'll make you very happy, everything else from me will probably frustrate you for eternity because it's obvious at this point we think from a completely different perspective.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You mentioned the engine/obd but what chassis, ECU, and harness???</TD></TR></TABLE>
OBD1 is a platform and a pinout that, oddballs like the P07/VX and the IACV pinout swap on some OBD1 Accords aside, is universal. So, OBD1 ECU means any Civic/Integra unit except the P07/VX.
Chassis and harness vary wildly depending on what is swapped where. Sometimes the harness stays in the chassis, sometimes not. Sometimes it's taken off a third vehicle out of left field.
Much like the FPR thread where you were beating on my for model and year... I neither know nor care. I don't approach solutions from an out of the box perspective, sorry, about the only thing I can call model/year/etc on is D-series timing parts as I've been screwed too many times by D15/D16A/D16Z/D16Y8 parts combos that throw the engine completely out of time. If you ever have a D16 problem I'll make you very happy, everything else from me will probably frustrate you for eternity because it's obvious at this point we think from a completely different perspective.
02-04-2008, 03:08 PM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (NonovUrbizniz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The way the plugs are it's pretty hard to plug one in to the wrong sensor...
You'll find that once you lay the harness down around the re-installed motor it's next to impossible to expletive up. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's definitely a pretty big assumption. Honda's these days, having been through the hands of little youngin's, are hardly foolproof. Like J.D. said...for one, on various mani's those sensor locations change, in addition to the fact there are plenty of two pin plugs for people to get mixed. Add in the possibility of noob's hands all through it, and the original shape of a harness is not always there to help.
I actually bought an H22 Accord with over 15k in receipts (Racing Harts, 1 piece H&R coilovers, perfect inside and out, etc). The car didn't run for sh*t, and the owners friends were stumped why it ran so bad. They assumed it was blown or half destroyed. Either way, I went and took the car for 2,000 bucks site unseen.
We went to the car, I got the keys, and limped it down the street. Realized there was no way it was gonna make it back to pa. I got out, figuring I'd look it over before calling AAA. I looked and recognized the TPS and MAP sensor plugs were backwards. Problem solved....car ran awesome....sold it for 9,000.00 after driving it for about 6mo.
Either way..as a sidebar...the O.P. wanted pics of the sensors themselves, not of how the wiring harness is applied.
You'll find that once you lay the harness down around the re-installed motor it's next to impossible to expletive up. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's definitely a pretty big assumption. Honda's these days, having been through the hands of little youngin's, are hardly foolproof. Like J.D. said...for one, on various mani's those sensor locations change, in addition to the fact there are plenty of two pin plugs for people to get mixed. Add in the possibility of noob's hands all through it, and the original shape of a harness is not always there to help.
I actually bought an H22 Accord with over 15k in receipts (Racing Harts, 1 piece H&R coilovers, perfect inside and out, etc). The car didn't run for sh*t, and the owners friends were stumped why it ran so bad. They assumed it was blown or half destroyed. Either way, I went and took the car for 2,000 bucks site unseen.
We went to the car, I got the keys, and limped it down the street. Realized there was no way it was gonna make it back to pa. I got out, figuring I'd look it over before calling AAA. I looked and recognized the TPS and MAP sensor plugs were backwards. Problem solved....car ran awesome....sold it for 9,000.00 after driving it for about 6mo.
Either way..as a sidebar...the O.P. wanted pics of the sensors themselves, not of how the wiring harness is applied.
02-04-2008, 03:13 PM
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Re: Kinda have myself in a pickle (RC000E)
I have no pictures, but I already IMed the OP about it. OBD1 GSR is pretty simple, I told him to start with shock tower plugs, distributor, and alternator plugs. From there the IAT is GRN/WHT and RED/WHT and purge has a YEL/BLK power wire. IACV (also YEL/BLK) should be out of reach for the IAT, and everything else "makes sense."
03-02-2008, 09:27 AM
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Dylan in case you still want pics, check this out
http://rywire.com/store/faqdes...6c602
also
wire colors - IAT
red/yellow & green/black - integra
red/yellow & green/white - civic
wire colors - IACV
yellow/black & black/blue - integra
yellow/black & blue/yellow - civic
EDIT: ah ****, didnt realize this was over a month old lololol, just looking over dmotoguy's old posts, sorry haha
Dylan in case you still want pics, check this out
http://rywire.com/store/faqdes...6c602
also
wire colors - IAT
red/yellow & green/black - integra
red/yellow & green/white - civic
wire colors - IACV
yellow/black & black/blue - integra
yellow/black & blue/yellow - civic
EDIT: ah ****, didnt realize this was over a month old lololol, just looking over dmotoguy's old posts, sorry haha
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