Bottlefedz28

The 6157 is already on the car, journal bearing unit, very recently rebuilt. As soon as I get my new shop finished up I’m tearing into my integra for some major upgrades including installing a Holley terminator x stand alone and Engine harness, pulling every single wire out of the rest of the car and making a new body harness, going through the engine and installing a set of pauter x beam rods, some good forged pistons, likely wiseco or ares and just overall cleaning the whole car up. I have always wanted a 4 cyl car with a gt35 but have recently realized that, that will probably be way more turbo than what I actually need. It’s a drag oriented car and will stay that way, hoping to be 2200 lbs or less with me in it. Goal is to make 450 to the tires with a ability to swap tunes to make 500 to the tires. Like I said I a,ready have the 6157 so that’s money I dot have to spend. Looks like they will both support a bit over 500hp. I would imagine the spool time on the garret would be quicker as it’s a ball bearing unit and I think available with a billet wheel. Do y’all think it’s worth dropping the money on? I would ask $500 for the 6157 leaving me have to pull about ~$900 out of my wallet

Autoworks

Just curious, with options like Hondata S300/AEM/Neptune/MSPRO/Motec/etc... why opt for the Holley turminator route on a Honda?

(IMO, assuming this a B series Honda, you'd be hard pressed to effectively make 500whp out of a GT3076R. If changing to a Garrett then a GTX30 or GTW3476 would both be better suited. If it is solely a drag car then spool up isn't nearly as crucial as say a "street car". If the only 2 options are 6157 JB or GT3076R...I'd stick to 6157)

Bottlefedz28

more control, resolution, easy to use software, easier to add things. Better question, why not a Holley? Superior to the ms3x, cheaper than a MoTeC, and better than any stock ecu solution. Yes its a b series, b16 to be exact

you seem to know your stuff so couple of questions.why would a 3076 not make 500? It’s advertised to supply enough air for 500. It is a street car so I would like to have decent spool times. Was I correct with my original thought if a 35r unit? Just seems a bit over kill.

edit, definitely open to other non garret options, but would like to stay within the $13-1400 price point

highschooler

It might make 500hp, but isn’t that about where it maxes out?
with the 35R unit I think it’s rated to 550 or 600 hp so at 500 it would be operating more efficiently. I don’t think it would be overkill, I think the 35R would be good for 500 hp and be efficient.

Bottlefedz28

I had to go back and double check. Y’all are right the max on the gt30 is 500 and the 35 is good to 600. So yea the 35 is what I would need to be looking at, for some reason I had it in my head that was like a 700hp turbo. So now that we got that ironed out, worth the money or keep the 6157 and spend the money elsewhere. I have zero intention of going past 500 with this car, if I feel I need more than that I’ll throw the big jets in the camaro and get it out. The intention of this car is to Be a fair whether semi daily driver. I have a s10 for the full dd duties. Maybe I should just get the car done then see where the 6157 takes me then upgrade if need be, but according to the guy I talked to at turbonetics while Id’ing the turbo, it’s a 500hp max turbo too, fairly old outdated unit too I suppose

Txdragon

For B-series, I highly recommend the GTW3476 for your goal.

Autoworks

I can't see a Term X being easier/more flexible/usable on a 500HP B series than a S300, but hey, maybe. Be sure to post progress when you start using/wiring it in.
A 3076 making 500whp would (IMO) be on its absolute limit; and at the same time I wouldn't use a 35R for a 500whp B series. In Garrett, BB GTW3476 would be an all around better fit and is in the price range given. (if the turbonetics is a Billet wheel 61mm w/ a F1 57mm turbine wheel and .63a/r or larger turbine housing then it will support over 500whp on a B series given everything else is in check to support it)

Bottlefedz28

I’m going crank trigger with cam sync for sequential fuel and spark also, I know the S300 can do individual coils but not sure if it can do sequential fuel and spark. My original choice was a ms3x as I’m already familiar with tuner studio, my camaro has a ms3 pro gen 1. My tuner has since discontinued support for any and all ms stuff due to a lawsuit involving Him and diy auto tune, not sure if it was required or a personal choice to not support anything to do with diy. His recommendation around the same price point was hands down the termi x and I trust his judgement and knowledge. So far the only thing I see it being limited at is crank trigger support, it is not fully configurable and only supports a few wheel configurations. I’ll likely be using a 36-1 crank wheel and a single magnet in one of the cam gears. You may ask why go full sequential at that power level? And for that I have no good answer other than just cause. Gives me something to do with a few of these spare ls coil packs I have laying around haha. And you are correct about the turbonetics. Unit, that is exactly what I is on the car. Thanks a lot for the info, much appreciated. I’ve never documented a build before but I may this one since it will be my second complete rewire and my first build in my brand new shop.

Pepe14

Any piggy back ems is garbage. S300 is right up there.
You can tune it fast? Good for you. Doesnt make it a good platform. After adding in realistic features for a fwd theres zero reason to stick with s300 besides “its what my tuner likes” get a new tuner

Autoworks

Cool, be sure to document it. We actually sell/use Term X here...for LS based stuff. It has never crossed my mind to even use it on a Honda, it just doesn't make the "top 5" list. It would surely be interesting to see it done successfully and weigh the pros and cons (and what features would actually be used) vs the other avail options.

That's a stretch...but cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion.