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Old 07-10-2019, 08:31 PM
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I wouldn't suspect the car threw those codes from shredding the alternator belt.. Reason why is because I lost my damn crank pulley going down the road once before and the alternator of course, was not spinning. Only light that popped on for me was the battery light. If your alternator fried out entirely... Possible, sure.. Probable, no.. Keep an eye on on those codes.. As for your radiator.. Half size? PM the price shipped to 71852! I may be interested..
That’s crazy man. Yes sir, half size. I was going to post it for $70 locally. I bet shipping would be high though. This build only has 2100 miles

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Agreed.



No cause like mentioned above it wouldn't damage the sensors or the wiring physically, but the belt could have tore the harness like I mentioned and could be the cause of those check engine codes. But if all looks good slap a new alt. on and see what happens.
Just inspected the chase bays harness, everything looks great. I guess I’ll see after alternator replacement

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That’s crazy man. Yes sir, half size. I was going to post it for $70 locally. I bet shipping would be high though. This build only has 2100 miles
Where would it be coming from? Do you have the dimensions and weight? I still may have a good deal with it!
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Where would it be coming from? Do you have the dimensions and weight? I still may have a good deal with it!
I pm’d you.

I spent tonight replacing the oil cooler hoses because they felt a little soft.. let me just remind you, this is a huge pain in the *** while the engine is in the car.

The white spots on my samco radiator hoses I was talking about earlier... it turns out, I’m not the only one.. it appears to be some sort of chemical reaction from the coolant according to several other posters on other forums because several others have experienced the same issue.
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Just an update... installed the new Go Autoworks radiator, and fan shroud. Alternator just got here today and I’ll get that done soon.

Should I be concerned with how close the shroud puts the fan to the manifold? Think it can withstand the temps? It was fairly close before..
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Should I be concerned with how close the shroud puts the fan to the manifold? Think it can withstand the temps? It was fairly close before..
Yes. It is a valid concern that you should look into. The best way to address it, is to both coat and wrapped exhaust manifold.

This is important because the exhaust manifold alone is able to radiate as much as 1500° and could possibly melt the fan and warp the fan shroud.

And no, the "Gold Tape" won't help.
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does anybody make a heat shield for the ramhorn exhaust manifold? for my exhaust manifold i was told from the shop that made it, although they are no longer in business, to not wrap their exhaust manifold. i was also told that from another business that heat treated/coated my exhaust manifold as well. the gentlemen, older, proceeded to show me an article that stated the reason why to heat treat the manifold over using heat wraps. i admit, ambient heat is a B and minimizing it could have benefits and potential short comings.i just want dont want to see my manifold crack due to it being wrapped and heat soak.

who made my manifold? Synase Turbo. its well made but im just following their guidelines even though that business isnt around.
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does anybody make a heat shield for the ramhorn exhaust manifold? for my exhaust manifold i was told from the shop that made it, although they are no longer in business, to not wrap their exhaust manifold. i was also told that from another business that heat treated/coated my exhaust manifold as well. the gentlemen, older, proceeded to show me an article that stated the reason why to heat treat the manifold over using heat wraps. i admit, ambient heat is a B and minimizing it could have benefits and potential short comings.i just want dont want to see my manifold crack due to it being wrapped and heat soak.

who made my manifold? Synase Turbo. its well made but im just following their guidelines even though that business isnt around.
You can send your manifold for cerakote high heat treatment. No Chirping or home based paint will survive 1500-2000 degrees for any extended period of time.

I find it difficult to believe that you can't heat wrap their manifolds. They weren't using exotic metals or materials. So I don't subscribe to it
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You can send your manifold for cerakote high heat treatment. No Chirping or home based paint will survive 1500-2000 degrees for any extended period of time.

I find it difficult to believe that you can't heat wrap their manifolds. They weren't using exotic metals or materials. So I don't subscribe to it

i think ill might give it go to see what happens because the ambient heat is unreal and living in texas doesnt help either. i would like to wrap each runner on its on but i dont think its possible with my ramhorn since the runners are close. but my manifold is ceramic coated, i just dont want that to be lost in this convo. also i have a jdm front end for my teg in hopes to help get more air, in theory, to my radiator since it was closed off from the USDM front end i use to have on it.
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Originally Posted by justYncredible
does anybody make a heat shield for the ramhorn exhaust manifold? for my exhaust manifold i was told from the shop that made it, although they are no longer in business, to not wrap their exhaust manifold. i was also told that from another business that heat treated/coated my exhaust manifold as well. the gentlemen, older, proceeded to show me an article that stated the reason why to heat treat the manifold over using heat wraps. i admit, ambient heat is a B and minimizing it could have benefits and potential short comings.i just want dont want to see my manifold crack due to it being wrapped and heat soak.

who made my manifold? Synase Turbo. its well made but im just following their guidelines even though that business isnt around.
I would go with a custom fabricated shield. Wouldn't be too hard to weld it up.

I too heard about this after I wrapped my exhaust manifold I was shown an article about how it causes the manifold to crack. Thermal/ ceramic coatings are what's needed. Even soon after wrapping the manifold the wrap got so hot it started to break away because it was so brittle, some of it even caked on the pipes. It was utterly useless and a waist of time wrapping the header with titanium wrap. It looked good for a few weeks..
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Originally Posted by wunfstgsr
I would go with a custom fabricated shield. Wouldn't be too hard to weld it up.

I too heard about this after I wrapped my exhaust manifold I was shown an article about how it causes the manifold to crack. Thermal/ ceramic coatings are what's needed. Even soon after wrapping the manifold the wrap got so hot it started to break away because it was so brittle, some of it even caked on the pipes. It was utterly useless and a waist of time wrapping the header with titanium wrap. It looked good for a few weeks..
Article or not, I've never seen that happen with mine or hundreds of others, but anything is possible... (mainly from too conservative timing at the same time)
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Article or not, I've never seen that happen with mine or hundreds of others, but anything is possible... (mainly from too conservative timing at the same time)
I didn't get any cracks and I was second guessing as well as I'm not one to take one persons story and say "yup its written or said right there!". my real reason was it started to deteriorate and fall apart so I was done with that and I guess I told myself we have some piece of mind that in the event that stuff was true I wont ruin a good manifold. Cause iv ruined one in the past to a brand spanking new Skunk2 Header.. Just ask me how I dare you...
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I didn't get any cracks and I was second guessing as well as I'm not one to take one persons story and say "yup its written or said right there!". my real reason was it started to deteriorate and fall apart so I was done with that and I guess I told myself we have some piece of mind that in the event that stuff was true I wont ruin a good manifold. Cause iv ruined one in the past to a brand spanking new Skunk2 Header.. Just ask me how I dare you...
I dare.. and I still think timing had a lot to do with it...
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I dare.. and I still think timing had a lot to do with it...
Nope tricked you, Jack slipped and went right under the new Skunk manifold

Here's the link a member here shared with me on my build thread regarding the wraps.


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Originally Posted by TheShodan
Yes. It is a valid concern that you should look into. The best way to address it, is to both coat and wrapped exhaust manifold.

This is important because the exhaust manifold alone is able to radiate as much as 1500° and could possibly melt the fan and warp the fan shroud.

And no, the "Gold Tape" won't help.
Looks like I’ll be getting it coated sooner than I anticipated..

Good news/bad news.. The engine temps are great after the go autoworks radiator and fan shroud and fixing the coolant leak... never seen over 200 today, but I noticed today after running it pretty hard that the coolant reservoir was past the MAX mark and bubbling. I took the car home, drained the reservoir down and hooked up the lisle funnel and again followed TheShodan’s steps.. after idling an hour, still getting the occasional bubbles on top of an oily film in the funnel and some random black **** floating around... brand new coolant & radiator. I do believe the head gasket is gone and likely from getting way too damn hot last summer.

Now would be the appropriate time for me to send the manifold off and get it coated also.

What do you guys think about the golden eagle advance seal head gaskets?
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Isn't the golden eagle head gasket essentially an OEM gasket? I thought I remembered hearing that. I've been running one for about 500 miles over the past few months and I haven't had any issues.
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I believe that they are still the OEM modified head gaskets. I'll be picking up one this week for my rebuild project as I only use OEM gaskets when I can for 84mm.

As for Jimmy's manifold, you want to coat it as soon as you're done for the season or whatever. Your car will be down for a couple of weeks, so have other transportation ready if this is your only vehicle. The coating doesn't flake off, but it will scratch off, if you're not careful during your re-installation of the manifold. so bubble wrap the slave cylinder nipple and other items that "poke out" so that you don't scratch the finish of the coating.
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I believe that they are still the OEM modified head gaskets. I'll be picking up one this week for my rebuild project as I only use OEM gaskets when I can for 84mm.

As for Jimmy's manifold, you want to coat it as soon as you're done for the season or whatever. Your car will be down for a couple of weeks, so have other transportation ready if this is your only vehicle. The coating doesn't flake off, but it will scratch off, if you're not careful during your re-installation of the manifold. so bubble wrap the slave cylinder nipple and other items that "poke out" so that you don't scratch the finish of the coating.
It’s just a weekend warrior car. I have another car to drive.

So are you picking up the golden eagle advance seal 84mm gasket?

I need to get all of this torn apart and I’ll touch base with you for the coating. Thanks bro
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It’s just a weekend warrior car. I have another car to drive.

So are you picking up the golden eagle advance seal 84mm gasket?

I need to get all of this torn apart and I’ll touch base with you for the coating. Thanks bro
Whatever they call their OEM 84mm gasket. I don't care what the name is officially called
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Well... that’s where there is some confusion. Golden Eagle has two head gaskets. The OEM Honda and then their line up... the golden eagle “advance seal” which is made by them. Both are similar in price

I’m contemplating trying something different... I’ve read a lot of good stuff about JE Pro Seal.. thoughts on this?
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Well... that’s where there is some confusion. Golden Eagle has two head gaskets.


GE only sales the advanced head gasket on their site which is a modified OEM head gasket. i have one on my motor and if memory serves me right, they stamp it with their logo and or bore it out to bigger piston size.
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GE only sales the advanced head gasket on their site which is a modified OEM head gasket. i have one on my motor and if memory serves me right, they stamp it with their logo and or bore it out to bigger piston size.
Thats not the impression I am under after talking to them on the phone. He said the cost of OEM gaskets kept going up so they made the “advance seal” line up...

How are you liking yours? Any issues?

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Also i thought factory Honda gaskets are 0.029?
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Also i thought factory Honda gaskets are 0.029?
They are 0.028".

I have the OEM, getting another and will stick with it. I'll let someone else worry about the "advance seal"
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GE only sales the advanced head gasket on their site which is a modified OEM head gasket. i have one on my motor and if memory serves me right, they stamp it with their logo and or bore it out to bigger piston size.
This is what I thought too, just modified OEM gaskets. They work, I'm cool with that!
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Thats not the impression I am under after talking to them on the phone. He said the cost of OEM gaskets kept going up so they made the “advance seal” line up...

How are you liking yours? Any issues?

ahh i get it.
mine? no issues so far been satisfied with the product.
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Just wanted to update, I know it’s been a while... life has been busy.

Had a buddy come over today and we got the head pulled off.. definitely a blown head gasket, and that explains a lot.. but what do I have to do to prevent this from happening again? Turn the boost down?

Could this be from the head lifting?


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