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Old 11-24-2009, 12:11 AM
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If the gearbox does not hold up, it would be a natural progression to change to a D2B kit, with a commercially available dog setup. If I do, I will share as well.

The D2B development is complete and now going through some beta testing before release. The Bisimoto Wagon will not be the test bed for this new kit.
Is this in reference to a D series engine to B series transmisson? Please say yes! I expect my build will have a need for this very item at some point in the near future. I am concerned that the transfer case in my build might not be capable of handling the power that I'm planning on putting through it, and an upgrade to a CR-V transmission might be in order.
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Hey great build! maybe one of my RT wagons will see some of your products in the future. I sent you a pm.
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Originally Posted by NonovUrbizniz
Yes meth makes it not really pump gas... move on. What are the other problems???
how is it not pump gas? if he gets the gas from chevron from a FREAKING PUMP then its pump gas. meth has nothing to do with it. its pump gas, it comes from a regular gas station...end of story.
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sweet build bisi. lets get some more updates/pics and moderate all the crap out.

unless i missed something, it appears your going to run a stock dseries tranny. would you still run this tranny if the car was actually drag raced?
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Originally Posted by Got traction
how is it not pump gas? if he gets the gas from chevron from a FREAKING PUMP then its pump gas. meth has nothing to do with it. its pump gas, it comes from a regular gas station...end of story.

The argument is, if you add Meth to the fuel you have altered the composition/properties, and it's no longer considered to be 100% pump gas.
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Good work Bisi!

Thanks for sharing with us and contributing to our community.
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Originally Posted by Turbogixxer
I never understood this. This is a open forum. People can post what they want (bisi build thread, hate on bisi, love on bisi, everything). If the mods or admins feel it is not what they want on the forum, they can delete it.

I would love to take tech away from bisi's post, but they are like watching billy mays (RIP) of the car world. I am sure oxyclean works, but how good?

I love to read tech, but I know enough to know what is tech and what is not.

Best of luck on the build.


Agreed on all points.

Rather then a reply of "My testing/experience led me to choose this product", how about what testing was done, what the results/flow numbers/etc were to allow people to decide for themselves, rather then simply relying on your word. You have done great things Bisi, no doubt, but some people are more technically minded and like to see numbers rather than a recommendation.
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Originally Posted by System Lord
How in the hell do you take the crap no one really chooses to build and some how make it work? (pioneer) That insight is some sheit, btw what are your ring specs, bearing specs and ptw clearances on this d16 build? I have a d16 laying around gathering dust and im anxious now. You do not have to reply I would understand.
Thanks, System, but the specs you ask for are closely guarded secrets. I can share one thing, though: they hover in the looser specs recommended by Honda...not service limits, but far end of the normal scale.

Originally Posted by "NastIE Garage"
Great Build Bisi
I will stop by after the holidays, I need to return your Gas Container you let us borrow awhile back. Also would love to see this beast in person!
Have a Great Thanksgiving
Greetings Nate..sure, come on down, as it has been a while.

Originally Posted by Jaker
Is this in reference to a D series engine to B series transmisson? Please say yes! I expect my build will have a need for this very item at some point in the near future. I am concerned that the transfer case in my build might not be capable of handling the power that I'm planning on putting through it, and an upgrade to a CR-V transmission might be in order.
Yes, Jaker, you are correct. Stay in touch, as more details will come when the kit is released...and I will have my flame suit on when we do..lol


Originally Posted by dailyspecvtec
Hey great build! maybe one of my RT wagons will see some of your products in the future. I sent you a pm.
It was great seeing you this weekend as well, Paulo.

Originally Posted by trickeng
sweet build bisi. lets get some more updates/pics and moderate all the crap out.

unless i missed something, it appears your going to run a stock dseries tranny. would you still run this tranny if the car was actually drag raced?
It is so busy at the facility recently and got busier after this past weekend's race. I will try and snap some more updates as soon as I can. Yes, the gearbox will be stock for the moment, and I will be bold enough to attempt some passes atthe strip. Using AEMs boost/speed function in the 6040 box should help my lessen the blow to the trans and hopefully give some good longevity in the process. If not, built (not stock) B trans I come!

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Agreed on all points.

Rather then a reply of "My testing/experience led me to choose this product", how about what testing was done, what the results/flow numbers/etc were to allow people to decide for themselves, rather then simply relying on your word. You have done great things Bisi, no doubt, but some people are more technically minded and like to see numbers rather than a recommendation.
NTrain,I have tried that in the past on HT, and do you know where it got me? Nowhere. The guys who speak ill of my results do it no matter what I say, do or show. They poke holes and eventually I just let the results of my builds and customer testimonials show the merits of the items.

The serious guys do visit or talk to me at the track, and attimes via PMs. We have wonderful discussions and they know that I am an open book. As I learn things daily, I even continue to gain insights and also share my findings with those who are interested. This build thread had the design of sharing some indepth analysis on the tuning aspect of the build's engine and suspension, but based upon the feedback so far, the detractors may get it locked before we even get there.

Originally Posted by Ntrain2k
Agreed.

It does look bad on your part Bisi. It wasn't a private album, and it's obvious you knew it, as you deleted the pic, then set the album to private once you realized it was open for public viewing. As someone who handled customer support and warranty claims for a $40M a year company, IMO, you did the wrong thing. It does not matter how badly an individual slams you or your company/products, you do not personally attack them, let alone in the open.
Only if you knew what the person in question wrote about ME on another forum and his goals for my thread, then you would understand why I called him out. I have shared my sentiments on the matter and his behavior and I will not address it again.

Originally Posted by dirtySOHC's
oh my god...shut up already. let the guy post his progress and move on.

bisi....sick build man!
Thanks, as I intend to finish the build thread. If we are successful with this goal, I will have some insights to the results. If we fall short, I will also explore why, and it would be a learning experience for me, and those who are interested.
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.. updates? Is the engine meeting the expectations you had at the start?

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Thanks, as I intend to finish the build thread. If we are successful with this goal, I will have some insights to the results. If we fall short, I will also explore why, and it would be a learning experience for me, and those who are interested.
I think this is the best thing so far in this thread, all this bs high school drama makes it hard for us that are interested in the build to follow this thread.

Bisi, I am a big time noob here so im sure I could find this if I look but what magazine is this build in?
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I think this is the best thing so far in this thread, all this bs high school drama makes it hard for us that are interested in the build to follow this thread.

Bisi, I am a big time noob here so im sure I could find this if I look but what magazine is this build in?
It's being covered in Super Street Magazine.
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It's being covered in Super Street Magazine.
Thank You
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I swear to D-ebus, the lord of all that is good and holy in the SOHC world, the next person who wants to argue over semantics and is not one of the following:

1 - Amazed speachless
2 - Amazed but inquisitive
3 - Amazed, inquisitive, and looking to propose an alternative lifestyle with the OP
4 - Amazed, inquisitive, and contributing

I will be very e-displeased with

Bisi, I've always admired your work in N/A motors, but this F/I build takes my little 77mm D and throws it up against a wall and knees it in the groin multiple times. This may have been asked or stated before, but what are you doing in the way of transmission and gearing to keep the power on the floor?
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Bisimoto is featured in Super Street (October 2009 issue).



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just re-read it.
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Bisi, here's a question for you.

I'm confused -- Somewhere on this forum are posts where you've said that the D-series transmission was actually superior to the B-series transmission as far as strength is concerned. Now you're discussing a transition to the B-series transmission to handle the additional torque supplied from a forced induction setup.

So which is it?
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Ok, I have re-opened the thread.

A couple of things.
  1. Suggestions and commentary regarding the build are welcome (as always), and they don't necessarily have to be positive in nature.
    Anything that adds value to this build thread is great!
  2. If you have a grudge against someone, or have comments that don't necessarily pertain to this build, either contact that individual in question, or pose those questions in a thread that may already be in existence

Apart from that enjoy - there is no need to get emotions so worked up over a silly little wagon with a hair dryer attached to it
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seen this thing in person super sick and aggressive looking mini shuttle!!! haha siiiick build bisi!!!
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Originally Posted by Bense
Bisi, here's a question for you.

I'm confused -- Somewhere on this forum are posts where you've said that the D-series transmission was actually superior to the B-series transmission as far as strength is concerned. Now you're discussing a transition to the B-series transmission to handle the additional torque supplied from a forced induction setup.

So which is it?
I think he was referring to stock, the D's were stronger, but the only instance I heard of him talking about B's it was along the lines of a dog-box transmission(aftermarket gears). I've seen prototype dog gears for D's but I don't think it has ever went into production.
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one of the best threads ive read through in a long time.
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Originally Posted by Turbo1.6
The argument is, if you add Meth to the fuel you have altered the composition/properties, and it's no longer considered to be 100% pump gas.
That's like saying if you run nitrous, you no longer run pump gas.

Sure, it may not hit 700whp on pump gas alone, but as long as you can DD it with pump gas, it's pump gas. And I believe it was never stated to run "100% pump gas".
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A couple of things.
  1. Suggestions and commentary regarding the build are welcome (as always), and they don't necessarily have to be positive in nature.
    Anything that adds value to this build thread is great!
  2. If you have a grudge against someone, or have comments that don't necessarily pertain to this build, either contact that individual in question, or pose those questions in a thread that may already be in existence-IBAdrian
Please users keep in the spirit of the thread.
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bisi you rock with the sohc, just try to keep your threads to a "tech" only and not make it sound like what i write for my Marketing classes lol
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Why was my question about which cam he's going to run deleted?

Article says 2.4, build specs on first page say 3.6....
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Forgive me, guys, if my builds are not cookie cutter versions of what everyone else does. Once upon a time, it was great to venture into the unknown, for everyone's benefit.

im sorry but i have to disagree. you took whats basically amounts to a 4 door ED hatchback, however unique that actually is, as its far from the first wagon thats been turboed, and you put together a bunch of off the shelf, available to anyone with a good paying job, a credit card, or mommy and daddy. thats cookie cutter as far as im concerned.

i applaud you for trying to put together a high hp d series, and i think you did a really nice job picking parts to put into the build. i hope you make your 700whp on race gas, just make sure if the numbers come from a dynapack, it has trap speeds to back it up.
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