$amGD3

I'm tired of the "oem is best" saying when it comes to the distributor/coil/spark/ignition conversation.

I came across a thread somewhere of a hybrid system The Shodan put together but couldn't get a clear info on all the parts.

With that said, I've been having issues with spark in my car for a while now. Very bad breaking up in the upper rpms which prevents me from really going into WOT like....EVER. I also had a starting/no spark issue for a while that was fixed after going through a few distributors and a used one starts the car continually (bought an ebay one that left me stranded on the highway after being installed for 2 days)

I've also been looking at kits like these, what's the general concessus on these? Better than stock? Waste of money? Unreliable?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360149162108?_trksid=m570.p2050601.l4763&_trkparms=ga1m%3DT2%26ga2m%3DT1%26ga3m%3DT1%26ga4m%3DT8#ht_5924wt_1001
My car's setup
stock b16a2,log mani,precision 5431b,stock dizzy,NGK blues,BKR7Es gapped at .028
Approaching 2 years old on this setup daily driven

digital sol

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I ran an msd setup for a few years but never really made alot of power or pushed it at all, so cant really speak to much on the subject. Anywho whats the budget? That will kind of narrow down our options here. Whats your setup & power levels? I didnt wanna run into any issues so went with the aem epm, pencil coil+smart coils for the new setup but it can add up in cost.

PS: If memory serves the system shodan was talking about was a summit box & coil with a external ignitor made by a member on the forum. It was a good bang for the buck type of setup through that discussion. I can try and track it down if interested.

EDIT:

Posted from turbo-LS in CaliforniaDad's build thread

I took Mac's advice on an ignition setup. I went with the summit digital CDI box and i also picked up a crane PS92 coil. I'm glad i listend to what he had to say about the system. It was dirt cheap and made a huge difference in throttle responce due to multiple spark at lower rpm range and picked up a few ponies from a better burn of the a/f mixture. I also went ahead and built and ignitor bypass circuit and i've been trouble free since.

i believe the Summit box cost me 150 bucks and the coil was about 68 and i already had an msd pro cap and rotor laying around and the car already have accell wires on it so the lay out was minimal and the performance is outstanding

Thanks Mac !

$amGD3

The last time it dynoed it made 295-310, around that range on 14lbs

Budget is HUGE. The cheaper the better basically, so best bang for the buck setup. Not trying to spend COP conversion type on this just wanting to upgrade

digital sol

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With that being said Turbo-LS seemed very happy with that setup and it was a good price/budget setup as well. Im sure him or Shodan can speak more about this setup but seems pretty straight forward.

Turbo-LS

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For about 375 bucks you can do a stout ignition system. Im running the summit digital ignition box with crna eps92 coil, senditracing ignitior bypass msd pro cap and rotor. Im making a hair under 800whp and im running a 26 thousandths plug gap with not a single ignition break up or hicup or misfire and im reving to 10k rpm as well.

Digitalsol thanks for the quote

turbohatch96y7

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For only 300 whp maybe there is another issue.

Maybe the icm output from the ecu? Loose wires or corroded wires?

Have you went through your harness and opened up the ecu to check for damage or just swap out distributors and ended there?

It would really suck to drop 400 on a new ignition setup to just run into the same problem.

FlewByU352

For less than that you can go COP. Ask me how I know?

Turbo-LS

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Ok where's the miracle cop for less?

OBRJosh

LOL...I believe in miracle's, i believe i can flyyyyyyyyyy

FlewByU352

I went COP for $312, just saying. Search. It can be done for less than that.

Turbo-LS

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Lol there's a response for you. Why not respond with answers and parts to buy so people
Could have COP for 312 dollars instead of just saying you did it and provide nothing. Till then OP 375 and I can provide part numbers and answers

OBRJosh

with what engine management??

Turbo-LS

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Not to mention that just going cop with a hack setup doesn't increase spark energy. You need a ignition box and good coils to increase spark energy. I've seen the hack ones and it just turns the car into cop.

Now a real cop setup is where it's at but it really still isn't even nessesary

Charlie Moua

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https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/cant-shake-spark-blowout-3152918/

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/limits-stock-ignition-system-3116415/

FlewByU352

Hondata S300

$amGD3

There was a period of time for about 2 weeks where the car would not start because of no spark. I bought a brand new ebay dizzy and it worked for two days and then the car died as I was cruising on the highway and wouldnt turn back on. I sourced a used one locally and its been working since but of course the breaking up in the higher rpms still remains

During that time, i went deep with the voltmeter and checked every single wire coming in/out of the ecu/harness, they're all giving out proper as they should.

Turbo LS's setup sounds pretty promising.

But as far as the ebay MSD set up I posted above, is that a worthy upgrade? I notice that I can use the cap and rotor for Turbo LS' setup as well if I decide so down the road

Muckman

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Are you being ambiguous about Hondata CPR or do you have an alternative method?

turbohatch96y7

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Sometimes when trouble shooting you have to replicate conditions. You have to move the wire harness around and bend it to find the problem. Now that I think of it I remember you posting in gdd.

Have you tried to borrow an ecu to see if the problem carries over? What plugs are you using? Is the motor grounded really good to the frame? Battery also?

$amGD3

Yep, I posted it in GDD as well when it happened

The only thing I did not try was swapping ecu, because i didnt know anyone with a chipped honda ecu. But yes all grounds are fine

turbohatch96y7

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What I like to do is take your multimeter and place the negative on the battery and probe all around the motor and make sure there is good continuity from random spots. Like by the alternator,vc, thermostat etc.

Are you in cali? I think I have an extra ecu around somewhere.

2000CTRSi

I have used multiple setups on client vehicles and i have to say the SENDITRACING TURBO LS bundle is the best bang for the buck. Made 700 on it without closing gap much at all.

The are other options, but most involve standalones, wiring, and editing coil parameters only a tuner can setup.

my .02 is worth $37.99

Billspec

$amGD3

Is this the summit box for this setup?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-850610/overview/

coil

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cr...0060/overview/

Also, where can i get this bypass?

$amGD3

you mean $370.99?

2000CTRSi

haha i stole that from the dos equis commercials...

"His 2 cents is worth 37 dollars and change lmao"

Turbo-LS

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Ignition box. Sum-850610
Ignition coil. 730-0192
Msd pro cap 82922
Msd pro rotor 8092
Senditracing icm delete