Formal Announcment from Magnus Motorsports
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Formal Announcment from Magnus Motorsports
This is a formal announcement from Magnus Motorsports regarding a string of recent malicious attacks on our product made by Buschur Racing. The following events show how we proved how effective our product was and showed all the data to back it up.
Being in the Sheetmetal Intake manifold business for 10 years, we know what works and what doesn't. Countless Champions have used Magnus Motorsports parts to achieve their goals. Some history on us: we are originally racers and still are just like you. We as racers use all of our components on our own cars, because they work. While It pains us to have to basically "prove" our worth over the word of a competitor who clearly has ulterior motives, we took time out of schedule of designing kickass parts to revisit the Evolution intake manifold test to prove him wrong.
Please refer to this page on our webpage for all data. http://www.magnusmotorsports.c...t.htm
We hid nothing from view of the public.
Background
As some of you may have noticed, Dave Buschur recently initiated a controversy on many mitsubishi msg boards by asserting that an early version of the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS intake manifold was ineffective in increasing performance on a Mitsubishi Evolution. Mr. Buschur then decided to perform a dyno test to "prove" his statement. Mr. Buschur explained that "this testing that I got myself involved in was from an internet "fight" I also got myself into" (see http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...22312). Since Mr. Buschur had already widely posted his prediction that the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifold would lose power over the stock manifold Buschur was using, and since Mr. Buschur was performing the testing to "prove" his prior opinions were "right", MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS was not confident that his testing would be even-handed or a true reflection of its capability. Given those facts, MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS decided not to provide the current version of our Evolution intake manifold for Mr. Buschur's testing.
Mr. Buschur said that he found an early version of the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifold on E-Bay. The specific version of the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifold Mr. Buschur tested has not been sold for several years, only because we continually make revisions in our intake manifolds as we see areas which can improve performance or make our production more efficient.
Mr. Buschur posted that his dyno testing indicated that the early MAGNUS manifold made less power than the stock Evo manifold. Buschur's posted result is contrary to years of performance gains reported by satisfied MAGNUS intake customers, contrary to various other prior dyno and track test results (some of which are referenced on our webpage), and contrary to the results of all other similar manifolds Buschur tested. Others have posted various criticisms of the testing methodology Mr. Buschur used.
In any test of a part's performance, the design of the test or the way the test is performed can influence the test results. Testing that is done by a person with bias or motivation to have the outcome turn out one way or the other should be more carefully analyzed before it is accepted as representative of a part's true capabilities. Mr. Buschur had an interest in the outcome of his dyno testing, since the entire test was being done to "prove" that his prior statements that MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifolds did not produce more power were accurate.
The design of the test can also affect the results. MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS disagreed with the methodology Mr. Buschur used in his reported dyno runs, and we were skeptical of the test results published by Mr. Buschur, given his prior prediction that our manifold would lose power. We, and many of our customers, were interested in reviewing the underlying datalogs, in order to see what the parameters of the testing would show that might explain why the results Mr. Buschur posted was out of the ordinary. Tuners using a dyno commonly review the ECU datalogs in order to compare what effect the change of a part had made on the motor's performance and understand why the said part may or may not make changes in performance. Unfortunately, that kind of analysis of Mr. Buschur's published test results is impossible, because Mr. Buschur has chosen not to publish his recorded datalogs to allow review and analysis of his results by the public.
Our Testing
We believed it was important for our customers and the general Evo public to have well supported information about the performance of our MAGNUS manifold. We knew that there were several tests of our street and race manifolds planned on Evo's with various stages of build, but those tests were not yet completed. Thus, we decided to perform testing of our own in order to provide additional test results in the meantime. We recognized that some would say we had an interest in obtaining positive test results to show that the MAGNUS manifold produced power gains. We freely admit that we know that our MAGNUS intake manifold improves performance, as has been experienced by hundreds of satisfied customers worldwide. Yes, we do have a bias. But there is a solution to that bias. Customers should be able to have access to comprehensive data of the circumstances surrounding a dyno test, and be able to draw their own conclusions about how valid the test results are. We are publishing not only the HP/torque dyno sheets, but the full datalogs of the dyno pulls, so you can study them and confirm our results. We encourage you to look at ALL the data available for our dyno testing.
Since the other planned tests were for heavily modified cars, we chose to do our testing on a stock Evo IX. The testing that is described below used a 2006 Evolution 9 SE, with no modifications except a top end timing advance flash, which had been performed by Emery Kapral at StreetTuned Motorsports well before the car was selected for this test. The car is otherwise completely stock. It had just over 8300 miles on the odometer at the time of testing. This was the closest to factory stock car that we were able to find for a test subject.
For the testing, we used our brand new AWD DYNOJET 424x. It was purchased new and installed in July at our facility; it is equipped with all of the latest datalogging features that can be expected by one of most established dynamometer manufacturers in the business.
We started with establishing a baseline for the car in stock condition. We did 4 dyno pulls in quick succession between the times of 12:37 pm and 1:01 PM, as demonstrated by the timestamps.
The first 2 pulls were in 3rd gear the last 2 were in 4th gear.
We datalogged these dyno pulls, which were recorded using Evoscan software. Boost was logged and A/F was logged, notes were taken and recorded in the run files. Intercooler endtank temperatures were measured before and after runs. We waited until Core temperatures had stabilized before we initiated the next run.
HERE WERE THE RESULTS!!!!
http://www.magnusmotorsports.c...h.jpg
AVERAGE OF 20 HP ACROSS THE TOP OF THE REV RANGE. What does this mean? more area under the curve and a more useable powerband, while not sacrificing spool up or tq.
Please visit this page for the rest of the data!
http://www.magnusmotorsports.c...t.htm
We have also recently changed our warranty policy starting immediately regarding our sheetmetal intake manifolds, further showing that Magnus Supports the Racers! read about it in that same link
Thank you for your time.
Marco Passante
Magnus Motorsports.
Modified by Marco at 5:41 PM 3/8/2008
Being in the Sheetmetal Intake manifold business for 10 years, we know what works and what doesn't. Countless Champions have used Magnus Motorsports parts to achieve their goals. Some history on us: we are originally racers and still are just like you. We as racers use all of our components on our own cars, because they work. While It pains us to have to basically "prove" our worth over the word of a competitor who clearly has ulterior motives, we took time out of schedule of designing kickass parts to revisit the Evolution intake manifold test to prove him wrong.
Please refer to this page on our webpage for all data. http://www.magnusmotorsports.c...t.htm
We hid nothing from view of the public.
Background
As some of you may have noticed, Dave Buschur recently initiated a controversy on many mitsubishi msg boards by asserting that an early version of the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS intake manifold was ineffective in increasing performance on a Mitsubishi Evolution. Mr. Buschur then decided to perform a dyno test to "prove" his statement. Mr. Buschur explained that "this testing that I got myself involved in was from an internet "fight" I also got myself into" (see http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...22312). Since Mr. Buschur had already widely posted his prediction that the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifold would lose power over the stock manifold Buschur was using, and since Mr. Buschur was performing the testing to "prove" his prior opinions were "right", MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS was not confident that his testing would be even-handed or a true reflection of its capability. Given those facts, MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS decided not to provide the current version of our Evolution intake manifold for Mr. Buschur's testing.
Mr. Buschur said that he found an early version of the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifold on E-Bay. The specific version of the MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifold Mr. Buschur tested has not been sold for several years, only because we continually make revisions in our intake manifolds as we see areas which can improve performance or make our production more efficient.
Mr. Buschur posted that his dyno testing indicated that the early MAGNUS manifold made less power than the stock Evo manifold. Buschur's posted result is contrary to years of performance gains reported by satisfied MAGNUS intake customers, contrary to various other prior dyno and track test results (some of which are referenced on our webpage), and contrary to the results of all other similar manifolds Buschur tested. Others have posted various criticisms of the testing methodology Mr. Buschur used.
In any test of a part's performance, the design of the test or the way the test is performed can influence the test results. Testing that is done by a person with bias or motivation to have the outcome turn out one way or the other should be more carefully analyzed before it is accepted as representative of a part's true capabilities. Mr. Buschur had an interest in the outcome of his dyno testing, since the entire test was being done to "prove" that his prior statements that MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS manifolds did not produce more power were accurate.
The design of the test can also affect the results. MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS disagreed with the methodology Mr. Buschur used in his reported dyno runs, and we were skeptical of the test results published by Mr. Buschur, given his prior prediction that our manifold would lose power. We, and many of our customers, were interested in reviewing the underlying datalogs, in order to see what the parameters of the testing would show that might explain why the results Mr. Buschur posted was out of the ordinary. Tuners using a dyno commonly review the ECU datalogs in order to compare what effect the change of a part had made on the motor's performance and understand why the said part may or may not make changes in performance. Unfortunately, that kind of analysis of Mr. Buschur's published test results is impossible, because Mr. Buschur has chosen not to publish his recorded datalogs to allow review and analysis of his results by the public.
Our Testing
We believed it was important for our customers and the general Evo public to have well supported information about the performance of our MAGNUS manifold. We knew that there were several tests of our street and race manifolds planned on Evo's with various stages of build, but those tests were not yet completed. Thus, we decided to perform testing of our own in order to provide additional test results in the meantime. We recognized that some would say we had an interest in obtaining positive test results to show that the MAGNUS manifold produced power gains. We freely admit that we know that our MAGNUS intake manifold improves performance, as has been experienced by hundreds of satisfied customers worldwide. Yes, we do have a bias. But there is a solution to that bias. Customers should be able to have access to comprehensive data of the circumstances surrounding a dyno test, and be able to draw their own conclusions about how valid the test results are. We are publishing not only the HP/torque dyno sheets, but the full datalogs of the dyno pulls, so you can study them and confirm our results. We encourage you to look at ALL the data available for our dyno testing.
Since the other planned tests were for heavily modified cars, we chose to do our testing on a stock Evo IX. The testing that is described below used a 2006 Evolution 9 SE, with no modifications except a top end timing advance flash, which had been performed by Emery Kapral at StreetTuned Motorsports well before the car was selected for this test. The car is otherwise completely stock. It had just over 8300 miles on the odometer at the time of testing. This was the closest to factory stock car that we were able to find for a test subject.
For the testing, we used our brand new AWD DYNOJET 424x. It was purchased new and installed in July at our facility; it is equipped with all of the latest datalogging features that can be expected by one of most established dynamometer manufacturers in the business.
We started with establishing a baseline for the car in stock condition. We did 4 dyno pulls in quick succession between the times of 12:37 pm and 1:01 PM, as demonstrated by the timestamps.
The first 2 pulls were in 3rd gear the last 2 were in 4th gear.
We datalogged these dyno pulls, which were recorded using Evoscan software. Boost was logged and A/F was logged, notes were taken and recorded in the run files. Intercooler endtank temperatures were measured before and after runs. We waited until Core temperatures had stabilized before we initiated the next run.
HERE WERE THE RESULTS!!!!
http://www.magnusmotorsports.c...h.jpg
AVERAGE OF 20 HP ACROSS THE TOP OF THE REV RANGE. What does this mean? more area under the curve and a more useable powerband, while not sacrificing spool up or tq.
Please visit this page for the rest of the data!
http://www.magnusmotorsports.c...t.htm
We have also recently changed our warranty policy starting immediately regarding our sheetmetal intake manifolds, further showing that Magnus Supports the Racers! read about it in that same link
Thank you for your time.
Marco Passante
Magnus Motorsports.
Modified by Marco at 5:41 PM 3/8/2008
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Re: Formal Announcment from Magnus Motorsports (Marco)
This always happens in every industry Marco, I wouldn't let it get to you. There will always be loyal customers and buyers.
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Re: Formal Announcment from Magnus Motorsports (Wopsicle69)
Its not just the evo forums, alot of the dsm forums have drama, but so does honda-tech, and mustang-forums. Its every where. I think alot of it comes from envy.
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anything i have ever heard of or seen posted about Buschur Racing has been how he screwed someone or how bad his business practices are ......this doesn't surprise me.
to a company like Magnus that actually shows proof that there product works and gives all the info to back it up.
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to a company like Magnus that actually shows proof that there product works and gives all the info to back it up. MAGNUS
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After the lack of class exhibited by Buschar Racing at NDRA Norwalk 06 nothing surprises me.
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Re: Formal Announcment from Magnus Motorsports (BIGTUNA)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BIGTUNA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After the lack of class exhibited by Buschar Racing at NDRA Norwalk 06 nothing surprises me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ya i was there , one of them tried to get me to understand why a 9 sec car shouldn't need a cage?
we all looked at him like really? he said its his daily driver and doesn't want a cage in the car when he goes to the store... then my friend said do you where a helmet when you go to the store?
LOL we all had a good laugh. how can you argue that ......
ya i was there , one of them tried to get me to understand why a 9 sec car shouldn't need a cage?
we all looked at him like really? he said its his daily driver and doesn't want a cage in the car when he goes to the store... then my friend said do you where a helmet when you go to the store?
LOL we all had a good laugh. how can you argue that ......
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ahaha allmotormark i remember that event and instead of walking away like man they decided to cry about getting kicked out.
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something about how they thought that people "ratted" them out about not having a cage, i can't remember what it said
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BIGTUNA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What did they write in chalk on the back of their trailer that was spelled wrong? </TD></TR></TABLE>
(see picture below)
...and I believe it was in spray paint, lol.
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(see picture below)
...and I believe it was in spray paint, lol.
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THat guys is all class, what a bone head I remember that then him and his nutswinger pals come on honda-tech cry like a bunch of bitches what a GOOF.
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I've said it before..and I'll say it again... Do you really expect anything more from Dave Bushur? I expect him to act like a 12 year old and say outrageous things like he created the internet.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Marco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since the other planned tests were for heavily modified cars, we chose to do our testing on a stock Evo IX. The testing that is described below used a 2006 Evolution 9 SE, with no modifications except a top end timing advance flash, which had been performed by Emery Kapral at StreetTuned Motorsports well before the car was selected for this test. The car is otherwise completely stock. It had just over 8300 miles on the odometer at the time of testing. This was the closest to factory stock car that we were able to find for a test subject.</TD></TR></TABLE>
for a local guy.
Nice testing, your manifolds look awesome. Now make one for a D-series.
for a local guy. Nice testing, your manifolds look awesome. Now make one for a D-series.
03-09-2008, 12:23 AM
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I was and still am on the Fastech Motorsports Subaru drag team that he blamed at Norwalk for ratting him out. Funny thing is, it was his fellow DSMs that ratted him out, we didnt have too. After seeing him make such a scene to me and my partner about supposed ratting him out, I have nothing for the guy. The guy is a classless ***.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AllMotorMark »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">then my friend said do you where a helmet when you go to the store?
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hahahah priceless
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hahahah priceless
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AllMotorMark »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 
found it</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would hate for my daughter to see this if I were at a national event with her!
found it</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would hate for my daughter to see this if I were at a national event with her!
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THe testing that Marco did was on the new style of manifold. But as Marco said it one of Daves friend and many others have said that there was no performace difference between the new and old style manifolds.