ahobbs

Nah, You missed my point Cort. I'm just talking about data.,Not going fast. Just data

uglyasscivic

In that case who cares about data? LOL!! JK It all relates somehow.

dturbocivic

i think he hit your point, in a round about way. by saying "emap isnt the only reason he is fast". with all the Data + information T1 has learned over the years of R&D + track time. proper changes in the proper areas get results.

nonvtecallmotor

My data means nothing to you. You cant use it. Stop basing your car off of what everyone else is doing. You cant be a leader by following..

All of you are just a like (chasing numbers). Is that suppose to be a stab at me? Fvck an 8 what does going 8's do for me? Do I get some H-T super powers? I'll be the same ******* that I allways was even if I did.
I built a car to be competive not one to go 8's. I think that I have reached my goal with great success. You dont build a successfully competive car without data......

ahobbs

Yeah that's obvious lol

vtekthis

i love these threads.....I did learn though if ur pistons are too big, it will greatly affect backpressure.

tepid1

Haha.

Blown90hatcH

I didn't say I want your data. I said if you have technical information to provide, speak up. Otherwise, you are worthless. And yeah, it's so much more fun re-inventing the wheel.

OmegaDynamics

For heavens sake there is nothing wrong with datalogging, if you want to shove a strain gauge up you *** to see how much it puckers go knock yourself out.

I was arguing the statement by Tony and other that the ONLY way to know whats going on with EMAP pressure is to datalog. Without a datalogger there would be NO WAY to figure out if you had a back pressure issue.


Seems like everyone is so stuck on the laptop screen any more, OMG this number has be perfect, that number has to match so an so's number. The car and chassis will tell you allot.

You have won or lost 99 percent of races long before top end 1:1 EMAP becomes a negative issue. Yet the parts you change and manipulate to gain that precious number can really effect you margin for error and performance in the first 330'. Find your own balance for your own car thats why the data from one car doesn't always work on another.

What else does 1:1 EMAP parts combo change, do you sacrifice anything?

hello1320

Zero the Florida Mic out...lol

evil93evo

The deal is every time you bust Tony's ***** in these threads because he shared a better way of gathering information, he is less likely to do so. I know his posts in the past have given me food for thought that ended up saving time and money when I was able to verify results on my own projects.

If his data saves just one person from a T-3 .48 a/r housing 60-1 than he has done enough.

I don't race a honda,, but I'd sure as hell shake his hand and thank Tony for his knowledge that he has shared to the import racing scene over the years.

All things progress, I just would like to think they do so because of more than just dumb luck.

GodFather of Boost

Your right, just like i dont use a speed sensor to log vehicle speed. I just stick my head out the window.

FastEg6

Lol, how do you think the car will tell you? Open it's hood on its own and say "Hey do this." or "Hey change this." Data tells you what you need to do, or what you should change to make it run better. Not the "Car" itself.

nonvtecallmotor

That statement right there proves your knowledge....or should I say lack there of.

The car does tell you things (Dont be a smart *** of coarse it doesnt speak to you).
You have to be smart enough to interpret what its doing and how to fix it. The datalogs doesnt always tell you. I dont care how many sensors you have because it can not see it all. Ever had a sensor read off or go bad? Ever made a pass and something didnt feel right or do you ignore all the signs (tells) and wait to see what the datalogs looks like.....

nonvtecallmotor

If the back wheels where locked up would you need a datalog for that?

vtekthis

come on now Rick, Miller does that, he uses the molten metal on the cyl head to tell him how fast it woulda went....duhhhhhh

oh wait ive done that too lol

nonvtecallmotor

LMAO we have all done stupid things but you have to in order to learn from those mistakes. I did it years ago on nitrous but it only burnt a valve (got lucky). Wideband read in the 10's and then instantly in the 13's. It layed over so fast I couldnt lift fast enough. When I pull the head I seen 8 broken inner exhaust springs laying in the head. That was the last time I used REV spring on a 500 lift cam

Enzo-Racing

This thread reminds me of a famous saying....

"It is better to stay silent and be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt."

Lude@Heart

Interesting read along with the usual HT pissing contests never the less i have a serious question.

On a boosted car this is much more important but ive been looking for a way to tell on a NA motor which side is the culprit of the bottle neck.

so cliff notes, How effective would this be on a NA Motor?

*I ask because above 6500 im getting .5-.8 PSIg on my map sensor log which tells me somethings choking it quite a bit, the question is, is it Intake or Exhaust related*

ashtons300zx

I would have to assume exhaust related from backpressure pushing its way back through to the intake side during the overlap.

Usually on an all motor car if you start going into Vac topend its an intake restriction whether it be the filter or throttle body and intake pipe sizing. But positive pressure could only assume its from exhaust backpressure and i assume that can be whether the exhaust side of the head isnt flowing enough or restriction in the header itself.

GodFather of Boost

My rear speed sensor would show zero. I dont NEED to have datalogs to know my wheels are locked up but if i had brake pressure sensors, e brake lift sensors, lugnut position sensor etc etc i would know exactly why it happened when i pulled the log.
Dont get me wrong i went 9s without ever pulling a log but i think that it is one of the most important things to have now. The problem is that the money spent in gather data usually doesnt directly translate into hp or et. And collecting it is the easy part. Knowing what to do with it is the hard part hence all the drama in this thread.
Everyone is on this thread trying put their 2 cents in but nobody is even trying to help the op with his question.
To the OP, we use the T1 damper and it works great. If you need pics of the setup i can post it up.

0xenocron

No but if I had a wheel speed sensor on the front and one on the rear I could tell EXACTLY what my percentage of wheel spin was...versus only knowing that I had some spin.

Enzo-Racing

It would always be 100% since rear wheels aren't spinning...

if you had radar ground speed then you would know EXACT percentage of wheel slip...

tony1

GPS is pretty handy as well.

OmegaDynamics

Is there anything in motec that can help you cut a light tho?