EG8

Took my H22 hatch to the track and it seems not right. Something is off

93 Civic VX Hatch
Mods JDM H22A, LSD Trans, SRI, DC Sports 4-2-1, Skunk2 Mega Power, Skunk2 Cam gears, Air/Fuel Tuned on Crome.

60' 2.26 (i know it leaves more to be desired)
330 6.149
1/8 9.328
mph 77.046
1/4 14.353
mph 98.46 seems low to me for H22 swap

I was launching at about 3,500-3,700rpms. Now, I noticed when i shifted into second gear the car wheel hopped badly. I did not have any wheel hop on the launch, and it seems like the car doesnt pull as hard as it does on the street. It feels sluggish, the car has about 350k on it, and i was told the wheels move forward in the wheel wells before the car itself starts to move. Im wondering if the sloppy front end is sucking up some of my power.

Since then the car has been dyno tuned and, i added a 3" catback and i have added around 10-12whp (firs pull was 170, removed butterflies went to 175, added 3 inch exhaust went to 180.3 with 144.7tq) and seems more then healthy


But i dont want to go back to the track till i get a traction bar or something to tighten the front end up, what do you think my problem could have been? and do you think a sloppy front end can suck up that much power?

Ghost 5.9

a traction bar may help wheel hop a little, but your gonna need slicks to completely get rid of the hop and to see the et's you want since h22 hatch's dont hook at all on street tires.

i have had several h22 eg's and w/ a stock jdm h22 w/ stock ex manifold and ecu i have run 13.4's on street tires and 12.8's on slicks.

of course its all gonna depend on how much your car weighs and track conditions as well as driving etc, etc, etc........... that dc header is also probably costing you some power, you could make more w/ the stock ex manifold also get yourself a cai and ditch the sri. your 60's arent terrible, but they could be better. i would put $$ towards slicks before traction bars if i were you.

EG8

So, i should pick up a stock exhaust manifold, i got a CAI coming, i had one and it kinda fell off and i ran it over

My car is a VX hatchback with no weight reductions at all (cept jack and spare). Wouldnt it be wise to put something in the front end to keep the wheels from moving back and forth in the wheel well?

Ghost 5.9

i never had any problems as bad as you speak of. you may want to check your suspension bushings and make sure everything is good. if its hopping bad the wheels are gonna be moving around so much anyway, slicks will take care of that.

EG8

would a USDM stock H22 manifold be just as good as the JDM one?

Mikey3000

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would a USDM stock H22 manifold be just as good as the JDM one?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no difference. why are you putting a stock manifold on? what rpm are you shifting at? what tires and what size wheels? your not gonna get much better than a 2.2 with street tires on.

.CUBISH.

what traps were u expecting with 170hp?

RaceProfessor

With 180whp I would expect higher traps as well. My buddy's CX hatch with a GSR, I/H/E also on CROME trapped 101.

.CUBISH.

he didnt run the car with 180hp...he stated that he changed the exhaust etc and retuned..picked up 10-12hp which got him to 180

DRIVENRacing

h22 is just gay dude... go b series.. how do i know?? JUST ASK ME! 5 motors in 3 months...

TMC_EF

Damn your car is slow!

KMaxwell

^^^WOW. thats a pretty bold statement, anyway i would definantly have your front end checked out (tie rods, ball joints, etc) your tires souldnt be moving around in the way you described. Some 23" slicks sould cure that 2.2 60 and try launching at 6500-7000 rpms.

Bigblockhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRIVENRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22 is just gay dude... go b series.. how do i know?? JUST ASK ME! 5 motors in 3 months... </TD></TR></TABLE>Just cause you were doing something wrong.Dont blame the motors...My H22 has had 17k miles put on it since swapped in.Still runs great....

bruised eg

With 350,xxx on the clock you should just replace all the frt end bushings with the hard polyurethane bushings. The rubber bushings are probably shot (definately) and the hard poly bushings help out a great deal with the wheel hop issue.

EG8

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You can go expletive yourself, this car on the street has dominated every b swap i have raced including LS/Vtec with CTR pistons.

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Thats what im thinking as well. The car has always acted funny on the track like Dr Jekkel and Mr Hyde

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no difference. why are you putting a stock manifold on? what rpm are you shifting at? what tires and what size wheels? your not gonna get much better than a 2.2 with street tires on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I an the car on 15x7 Rota Slips with Falken 205/50 RT615's. I was shifting at 7400 Via Check Engine Light Shift light. I know my 2.2 probably isnt going to get much better on street tires, but i didnt really push the car out of the hole cause i was concerned with the front end

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Unless you have some wicked bad *** project, i dont really need to hear any bullshit from someone that probably doesnt even drive a honda, cause they have no clue what the expletive their doing and probably have had there car sit longer then its been on the road running

hpi247

im h2b, but similar to you. i would launch high and could not get a good 60ft. then i tried holding the rpm around 2k and taking off as if i was driving normal, but i did it hard and feathered the clutch as needed. i dropped my 60ft .2 and .5 came off my 1.4. what suspension do you have?

EG8

I have Tokico White Shocks and struts with 500lb coilovers.

Ghost 5.9

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NO THANKS

hpi247

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hmm alright, im basically the same setup as you. do you have prior track experience?

EG8

THe best 60' i have gotten was that run in my life. It generally was around the 2.3 area on my previous cars. But this is the fastest car i have had to date (2nd honda overall) I feel like i should go back since the car is making 180whp and see how the car favors now.

On the tokico's since they are adjustable, should i set them on anything? like 5 in the rear to keep it from sagging and like 1 up front or something?

On the street i run 2 front and 2 rear.

jdm knight

I did 13.4 at 104mph with bone stock h22 on 93 hatch, I only had a stock gsr ecu.
that was 14 inch drag radials and then I put 50 shot and did a 12.7 at 110mph on a stock gsr ecu with the same tires.

hpi247

i was told to set all shocks to full stiff. i played around with mine a little and came up with setting the rear to full stiff. for the front, i toned it down a little and that seemed to help with the wheel hoping issue. im not sure if it was the softer setting in the front, or if it was not launching so hard that allowed the tires to hook up better.

Victor Vaughn

180whp? stock h22 powered hatch? must be a oem clutch on the motor right? because I've seen numerous 200whp bone stock h22 swapped civic's with H22 transmissions with little tuning and few bolt-on's. I'd also defenately invest in a traction bar but becareful of selection due to the header clearance.

EG8

ACT Extreme PP organic street disc, The dyno reads low it was a mustang dyno, and i have been told if you add 15% it will read dyno jet, the guy added 10% already so with another 5 percent added its 189whp which i dont think is bad considering my secondarys on ther DC sports header are dented already restricting

But each dyno reads differently. I have seen some H22's only make 185whp but trap some serious mph's

Victor Vaughn

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ACT Extreme PP organic street disc, The dyno reads low it was a mustang dyno, and i have been told if you add 15% it will read dyno jet, the guy added 10% already so with another 5 percent added its 189whp which i dont think is bad considering my secondarys on ther DC sports header are dented already restricting

But each dyno reads differently. I have seen some H22's only make 185whp but trap some serious mph's</TD></TR></TABLE>
Some advice from me to you would be to ditch that DC sports header(Garbage product they made for H22's) for something like a camp1320 header or even an oem h22 exhaust manifold(for thetime being), I'd also swap that street disk clutch pad for atleast a six puck act or 4 puck.