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There was no track clean up when that particular GTI had a problem. Thats a fact. The announcer was up there running his mouth and spouting off that the car was oiling the track down. Not on that pass. He also talks trash about the FWD cars and acts as if a lot of the drivers of those cars have no clue what they are doing on the drag strip. I, along with all of my friends and brothers that were in the stands heard the announcer say that if any driver thought that their car was not 100% that they should not chance it and run the risk of messing up the track. Yet shortly after there were two mustangs, a black one with a Puerto Rican flag flying on it and the blue one with the Hurricane Jr. sticker down the side, both of them turbo'd Mustangs blowing smoke like a freight train. I understand some smoke, but both of those cars were puffing smoke big time. Anyone with any mechanical sense or knowledge would obviously see that and say "DAMN THIS THING IS ABOUT TO LET LOOSE!!!" Whether it be the engine or the turbo's. Why did the track officials not tell them to shut it down and pull it out of the lanes? Both of those cars caused a clean up. As a matter of fact I think I saw them rebuilding the enigne in the black car over in the pits later that day.

I also see people talking about pit crews in the burnout area. Coming from the south where grudge racing is King that does not bother me so bad. I guess I am used to it. But if you are going to bring it to light I noticed that with any of the faster rotary cars they brought out the entire crew and their ancestors to the lane just behind the car. The announcer could have called them out on that like he did individuals sitting near the wall and things like that. Rules are their for all to follow, just because your car runs in the 6's you should not be the exception or feel like you should be. I was in the Air Force, sometimes it would take 50 guys to get an airplane to fly. When it started to taxi there would not be 50 of us out there blocking the way for the other that one that was about to taxi.

I love this event and look forward to it all year long. I have attended several years and plan on attending more. Jason Miller and the rest of the track crew do an exceptional job, everything from cleanup to the safety crew and the track is always on point for the racers. It shows with the turn out of racers and all attending each year. I look forward to see what the changes are and agree with most that the index classes and bracket classes are not what people show up to see. I understand wanting to keep them, but this is in my mind the big boy race that people really strive to attend. The fans want to see the fast stuff and the racers want to race the fast stuff.

Mikey3000

I 2nd this. Especially pitting the classes together.

alpha

Well said

.adam.

i would keep the classes just as they are. assuming no rain, this event would have went fine. the oil downs should have been prevented, so i support stricter tech on that ****.


+1 for more garbage cans, or at least emptying them throughout the day....

061000rr

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i don't no how you would ever pit the classes together unless you met up before coming to the track. with cars coming in over a 3 day stretch i just don't see it. it would be awesome if they did but not sure how they would.

to all the guys wanting the car show gone i don't ever see that happing. the car show is a pure money maker, and brings a **** load of people. and how does the bikini contest inter fear with anything? its gets people away from the food lines long enough for the rest of us to get a chance for some food!

what happened to all the trash can btw? last year we almost had 1 per every 2 cars.

imo, too many index classes. i know its good money and fills in between rounds but 10.0, 11.0 is plenty. after seeing 8+sec cars and 200mph no one wants to see 50 cars go 12.5 at 130mph

i know racers don't want to hear it but these little *** catch blankets and pans don't do ****. 90% of the oil downs this weekend were coolant lines, trans lines, stuff that those blankets don't stand a chance catching. only way to get rid of these huge oil downs is to make a rad support to fire wall catch pan. and that still won't fix the issue. and stick with the track banning for these dumdasses that shouldn't be going down the track in the first place. if they can't understand what if your car breaks or spins out or rolls white smoke for a half mile you need to pull over means they don't need to be on a track. that guy that oiled down both lanes with trans fluid should never be allowed down a track again. that car rolled smoke out from under the hood as soon as he left the line.

but jason, you and your crew killed it last weekend! I've never see a track crew put in work like you guys. i would have lost it.

but thats all just my opinion. I'm sure everyone here has there own on how to run a track they know nothing about. look forward to next year! i will never miss this event.

magik28

I have spectated the last 3 years. I have gotten used to all the congestion everywhere. My only complaints are too much motor bike usage in pits. That include powered scooters and all kinds of nonsense I saw speeding around. After the prayoonto racing car I believe was struck by one at an event (not sure what venue) I havent been fond of having them around as a possibility became a reality. Also maybe you can throw one of those BMX crews a few bucks to keep people entertained during major oil downs on the outside of the wall.

JDMekB20

First off this event was bad ***, even with the rain and all the oil downs. I was actually the cause of one these oil downs. I had a proper catch pan but when the car shot a rod it bent the catch pan causing the fluid to still drip out. For next year I dont believe you should cut ANY class. This track is known for being one of the best in the fall. Everyone no matter if you run 6's or 13's try to achieve there personal best at this event. I believe you should limit the amount of index racers but I dont think you should get rid of them. If you decide to get rid of anything it should be the car show. It sucks for the racers that had to pit on the grass, and I believe the extra space from the car show would've definitely helped get a lot of racers off the grass.

Jason Miller

We are going to have to drop some classes at WCF next year... That is for sure. There are many more changes we are making to the event as well. Give us some time to finish our season get through the holidays and announce the changes.

We have a bunch of changes that we are making, but everything has to be carefully thought out.

allmotorhatch

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The extremely biased announcer has been wearing thin on me over the years.

BergRacing21

I've been spectating for at least the last 8 years and I'm just gonna say the things i already agreed with when reading all these.

-Car show, get rid of it. Someone else mentioned it more than half these race cars in the pits are better than those cars in the show. And it would free up a TON of room for the racecars who had to park in the grass.

-10.0, 10.5 get rid of it....i know everyone is flying these days but honestly ANYTHING can happen in any class...these cars should be in a heads up classes

-Diapers ehh...yeah i'd like to see them on all cars but honestly someone mentioned at 2014 corvette needing one? i see this being highly unlikely. But make sure tech is thoroughly checking that the cars do need them... do have them.

-Pit Bike/Quads/golfcarts free roaming, there needs to be a crack down on this...i almost got ran over a few times for guys just free riding there bikes/quads/golfcarts just getting food or using the restroom. That or put up barriers like E-Town so they can not get the bikes/quads/golfcarts so easily down the midway. I understand it's not easy getting around when it's that packed but if they aren't towing/going to pick up there car or riding in the lanes drivers use they should be kicked off them.

But honestly i had a GREAT time as always and i definitely appreciate you and your crew busting y'alls asses to make this the best event despite all the stuff you guys couldn't control. As always you guys are hands down the best. I love MIR it's definitely my favorite track to come to and a lot of it has to do with how well you guys prep the track and bust your *** to make sure it's the best it can be. You guys are awesome and thanks for throwing another great event this year! Already looking forward to it next year!

juniorb

My friends and I have been coming from Canada to watch this race for many years. If classes has to be cut it should be indexing. Definitely feel there need to more garbages or even emptied more often. I say don't get rid of the car show... put them on the grass at the far end of the track and put the racers on the asphalt. Diapers belly pan a must. I dont blame the racers for the oil down problem. I believe this is something that falls on the track officials. It is there job to make sure these vehicles have them on when they get to the burn out box. With that said this is by far the best run track I have ever been too. You guys do a great job of keeping the track prepped. Not complaining just somethings I think could make this event run a little smoother. We will back next year and the year after that and so on.

Jason I saw you getting on your knees, kicking guys out of that tractor and just cleaning that track.... great job man.

jskillzva

I think you guys should have a mandatory drivers meeting on saturday that way once the oil downs happen nobody can complain about dq's, fines, or banning for life. And if people bitch about running a diaper/oil pans then go home because I'd rather race then sit there watching for three days like I did and make one run.

Got traction

Personally I think a lot of it has been covered already in this thread...but I’ll throw in my opinion..

-Mandatory catch pans for all vehicles. I know that they were checking in the staging lanes for FWD cars, but did notice there were a few domestic cars that had oil down issues who may not have had them.

-Pit vehicles were insane. Seemed like people used them as transportation around the facility rather than as an actual pit vehicle to tow cars. One in particular was a orange quad that was louder than a rotary engine and just kept going up and down the pits.

-We spent a lot of time just sitting in the staging lanes(Friday night)..It seemed like they called us to the lanes pretty early. If there is a way to prevent this that would be awesome.

-Crew member wrist bands would help with the crowding at the starting line. I do believe we may have run over the foot of a person or two while pushing our car to the ready line. I understand that people want to be there and be a part of the scene but it is kind of frustrating as a crew member to have to fight your way up there while pushing a car.

The last thing I want to say is a thank you to the Miller family and his entire crew. If you've never spoken with Jason or his father these guys LIVE for this. They busted tail to make WCF an amazing event. I've never seen track personnel work so hard out of all the events that I’ve attended. It is truly an amazing event to be a part of.

YZFR6

Jason your team did an awesome job with Mother Nature hitting us Thursday and Friday. It is what it is... However what I'm about to say some people may not like. I think that the index class is cool to have but not at this event. This event is too big to have those classes, however I do understand that you have a business to run as well Jason. But I and a bunch of other racers do not mind if you bumped up the entrance fee to make up for the count in the index class. I'm saying this because I took a whole week off work to travel and race at this event. I know that I am not the only one that took this time off... We spend a lot of money to run at this event and we want to continue... So I don't mind spending the money to race if the entrance fee was a higher to get 4 qualifiers in and finish elimination in a good manner of time. One more thing, the racing should never stop because of the bikini contest. Seriously we were running behind and sitting in the lanes waiting. No racer in the lanes really cares. It's more for the spectators... IMO. Can't wait till next years wcf! Thanks again

Jason Miller

We only stopped racing for the bikini contest because we were scraping the track because of an oil down. So they just started the contest while were were scraping to entertain the fans since we couldnt race at that time. We dont stop racing on big events for any reason unless its an oil down.

YZFR6

My bad sorry I didn't know I was in the car. Definitly should be mandatory next year for catch pans to cover the entire front engine compartment. Not just the engine and trans area.

h22apwrd95

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Every time I saw that orange quad, the person riding it looked to be 14 at most. One of a few that I almost got run down by. I have been going to NHRA national events since i was about 5 years old. I understand racer etiquette, and pit etiquette. Some of these idiots out there now, could use a few weekends watching the big boys play. A little respect for your fellow racer, and the spectator that is making your payout, would be nice. And the teams putting 30 guys on the line, just ridiculous. NHRA crews, which have 2 guys that wipe tires after a burnout, only have 5-6 guys at the line. Come on, just wasting time and delaying the event. That is all I really have. Had a blast, will be many more in my future. Awesome work Jason. My last time to MIR was probably 20 years ago, maybe more, for an IHRA event.

ekcoupeh22

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Why in gods name does there need to be 30 people to line a car up??? It's stupid!! Like 50 people takes time to get out of the way so the next pair can come up!!! Stop that! 3 people is all is needed! Index should go not to many people want to see 11.50 cars running 12's. Security def in the stands there is way to much hood rat crap going on. This isn't a street corner. I don't care if you want to smoke weed but don't do it next to me. Pit vehicles ha! But with those problems I still love your event 10 times better than any crap OGS event.

sleepinonacreeper

just a few ideas-

-the restrooms in the staging lanes is a horrible idea
-pedestrian entry into the staging lanes could be closed and moved to the back of the lanes
-no pit vehicle unless it is being used for towing and only to be used when towing
-one tech card per car (one car, one class only)
-pedestrians must have credentials to be in the staging area beyond the chains
-only allow (xx) amount of crew credentials per car
-more police in the spectator area is a great idea

I'm always sad to see any classes that have a great turnout go, but this event has just gotten huge. Losing that much time to weather has a horrible affect on any event schedule and the crew at mir did a fantastic job to get as much racing as possible finished. Pitting by class or make logistical disaster. We had a tough time getting our tow vehicles through the pits when entering in the am. (pit vehicles sitting around everywhere and ignorant pedestrians that we "politely moved" with the front of the truck) I've heard lots of complaining about pit area or surface, but almost anywhere I've
ever gone locally it's a grass or gravel surface. We gave some of our pit space to another racer that had mud to deal with because of the weather. We had a rather small pit area and we managed to squeeze the truck, trailer, and two cars in it. (as did most of the racers near us)

CHEETAH

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just my $0.02 instead of eliminating (index) classes (usually bad for the sport in general), create a class priority list "in the event of bad weather or delays from numerous track oil downs" ...Index classes will be cancelled with refunds, maybe go so far as "force" them to run in the other heads-up classes if they really want to participate in the event.

..and mandatory catch cans or diapers on all cars participating...mandatory checking for water and not coolant too. More stingent checks on race cars before pre-staging - if car is heavily smoking then the car shouldn't run period


also some analysis should be done if it hasnt been already, what speeds/ ETs are the cars breaking, if its the fastest cars, perhaps the classes should be run slowest cars to fastests cars order??

JDMekB20

thats a very good idea

1320ms

Some jackasses in the pits over by us were smoking weed as well

GodFather of Boost

On the subject of pitting classes together. I know that would be thought because u don't know how many people are coming per class. I think u should have a prepay if u want to be in the "class area" or show up by a certain time. If not u will have to go wherever u fit.

1320ms

How would you handle the race teams that have multiple cars in different classes

The one thing we always make sure to bring with us to every event is a radio, tuned to the track station so we can hear when we get called up. To me the bigger issue is people walking 3, 4 or more wide in the damn lanes that act like they cant hear the cars behind them trying to get up to the staging lanes. But theres a limit to how much you can do in that regard I suppose

fmfkid250

About all the people up at the line. Chad in the red supra almost ran over a bunch of speed factory guys. He was told to start his burnout and all 60people where still standing there jumping up and down. He had to shut down his burnout before he wanted to, to prevent running people over.

Other than that the wheelie king on the orange quad we debated taking him out before he hurt someone.

But did not want to get removed from event.

Let index cars quilify Thursday for free (not the $100 to test) and give them I one more on Friday morning. Then Friday night starts elim for index. I know a handful of guys that make a vacation out if this race that run index. Most are going for best et not to win index. And gives them a good reason to come spectate

That's my .02 and only replied because I see that you are reading this post and value our opinions.
Thanks
-joe fisher