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k i have an eg im tryin to hook the remote start up but it a 5 speed i got the alarm part done what do i have to do in order for remote start to work

B18C_EJ8

Buy the "Directed 689M Neutral Safety Module for Manual Transmission Vehicles".

romoracing

Just bypass your clutch switch by taking the two wires(on the clutch pedal) and hooking them up together.

Davus

Quite dangerous, likely illegal. DEI 689m.
Ever left the car in gear, even once? The rear drums are not going to stop the motor. They will not even stop the starter's torque.
(Luckily I won't need a 689m, due to the new 50.7x)

romoracing

It is illegal but i have had people say that they installed the 689 and their car went flying. It makes it safer but there is no fail proof way to make it from taking off.

Davus

How does their car 'go flying' unless left in gear? o.O
I've had people say they bypassed the clutch switch and their car went flying.

With the 689m, you have to park the vehicle, turn the key off, open a door, get out, and finally close the door. The alarm will then cut ignition and turn the car off, unless the car stalls out on its own (which surely will disable the 'ready' state). This will ensure the vehicle is not running off in gear, otherwise the owner likely would not get out. After the door procedure is done, any door/trunk/hatch/hood opening will take away the "Ready" state of the 689m.
I do not see how this could fail, especially fail in a more disastrous way than just leaving the clutch switch bypassed and hoping for the best of memory.

How did these people manage to run into problems?

fcm

You should take what people say with a grain of salt.
How in the world could a car with a properly installed 689M go "flying" unless it was put in gear on purpose through an open window?
The people that told you that are full of chit, or did not install the 689Ms properly.

One more thing, you do not disable the "Clutch Interlock Switch" when installing a remote start, you interface it with the remote start so it stays functional. 94

B18C_EJ8

Damn you Internet Brands & vBulletin for taking our beloved hammer icon away... *shakes fist angrily*

Davus

Yeah, with a properly installed system there's no way. Getting under the car to move the shift linkage would trigger tilt sensor, and reaching in a window would trigger proximity, both of which would remove the ready status of the remote start. I truly see no way that a proper installation like that could realistically fail.

romoracing

Well first off the three guys that installed these and told me they had their cars go flying are really known in the car audio business. First guy can be found in the aruthors section of all the mecp books Paul Wanders Jr. and Tom Gazda. They good friends of mine and teachers that had one installed and had the car go through the schools garage doors. Third guy is well known by the name of "Mad Mike" off the show west coast customs. Well he also told me that they installed one on a car and had the car smash into another car.

I also have friends in the r&d area of dei and they said it works but if someone shift the car into gear after the unit turns off it will go flying.

Btw i wire up the clutch that way because i put a switch on the line as a kill switch.

B18C_EJ8

^^^

t0p_sh0tta

On a side note, does this alarm have an integrated 689?

fcm

So these guys installed a remote start system with the 689M and were able to get out of the car with engine running and tyranny in gear, neat trick, I would like to see how that was done.

You can still install a "kill switch" on the CIS without disabling it.
Is disabling the CIS something you learned from these "teachers"? 94

romoracing

I love how ppl cant read nowadays
"I also have friends in the r&d area of dei and they said it works but if someone shift the car into gear AFTER the unit turns off it will go flying."

You cant stick it in gear while the car is on no duh. If you get into the car after the unit is turned of for example someone goes into the car looking for something and sticks it in gear. Its going flying.

The reason I hook up the clutch switch that way is few reasons one its the cheapest. FREE. Its illegal but so is my nitrous kit, my turbo, no cat, my drop, my intercooler, the gps/radar on my windshield, my laser jammer and the list goes on. Any way you bypass the clutch its illegal. Remote starts are not meant to be put on man. trans. cars thats why most insurance companies dont allow shops to do it.

The way i have my clutch bypassed is very easy. I cut the two wires and I put a simple switch between the two wires. When the car is off I flip the switch. no matter what some one tries to put in the clutch it wont start. I then hooked up a relay from my remote start to the clutch switch bypassing the kill switch to allow the car to start. Then the other two wires at the clutch switch I ground one side and the other i hook up to my brake switch so if someone steps on the clutch or brake when the remote start is on the remote start turns off.

fcm

Putting the car in gear after engine is has turned off, would mean opening a door, which would cancel the "ready mode", or climbing/leaning in a window to do it, but then that would be bypassing the 689M on purpose, and yes the car would start and run into something, but then again I can blow your car up by throwing in a stick of dynamite through a window, the point is that it would take a deliberate act to have the car start in gear.

Any type of system can be bypassed/defeated if someone put their mind to it.

As for the CIS, here is a hint that will save you some time and keep the car at least a little legal, connect the remote starts status output, [ground out when running (GWR)] to the the output of the CIS, the GWR will supply the starter relay with the ground it needs to energize during remote start but keep the CIS fully functioning the rest of the time, a "kill" switch can still be installed on the input to the CIS to disable it for normal starting, but you would still be able to remote start the car.94

Davus

The 50.7x does have manual transmission support stock, no add-on module needed. :-)
Issue is, it seems like it'll be difficult to do in a stealth manner, so I may not do it.

t0p_sh0tta

Agreed, I think I may give it a go. Nobody steals Mazdas anyways.

=P