carloselpavo

I have a 97 civic hatch with the door panels of a 99 civic SI. The head unit is a pioneer premier DEH-P680MP. The factory speakers are almost gonne. I want to get new ones. But I do not want to run an amp for these speakers.
Any advice on wich ones to get?
Maybe some that have a small crossover included. Any advice is greatly appreciated, thanks.

B18C_EJ8

No speaker is going to come with a small crossover, unless you buy a component set.

You really shouldn't run a component set off of deck power, so this brings us back to full range coaxial speakers.

What's your budget?

carloselpavo

$150-$200 for the set of four.
I don't think that i need to buy tweeters. I am running the ones of the SI and are working good.

8520

Get some alpine type S coaxials. Best bang for the buck.

carloselpavo

I looked at the alpine type S and coul not find any 6.5 speakers that would fit without some adjusmentsto the door's speaker hole. So I looked into some pioneer speakers since my HU is Pioneer. I found these ones that i think would fit without any adjustments.
6-1/2 (TS-A632P) speakers http://www.pioneerelectronics....tab=B

6X9 (TS-A6962R) speakers http://www.pioneerelectronics....tab=B

Please let me know what you guys think. Maybe they are too much for the HU. I don't know
any imput will be appreciated

WillEat4F00d

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carloselpavo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I looked into some pioneer speakers since my HU is Pioneer.
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That's not a very good excuse to get Pioneer speakers. Choose speakers because they sound good, not because they match with your HU. Think about it, you probably won't even see those speakers once they're installed.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carloselpavo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please let me know what you guys think. Maybe they are too much for the HU. I don't know
any imput will be appreciated </TD></TR></TABLE>
Any aftermarket speakers are too much for the HU, unless you get a dedicated amp of course (not just any though). Just don't turn them up too high if they'r ran from the HU.

zerovandez

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I have the same car. I have pionner 6x9 in the back and 6.5 in the front all 3 way with a sony 4 channel amp putting out 60x4. honestly the pioneers suck. I had a chance to listen to boston acoustics without an amp. they sound really nice. Im going to get those next. go to crutchfield and use there application guide to check out what fits.

fcm

The speakers you picked will fit, and work, I would look at the 2way instead of the 3way, in fact I would disable the tweeters on both the front and rear set, use the stock Si tweeter and the Pioneer mid, and just the mid/woofer in the rear.

I am also no fan of Pioneer speakers, Infinity makes a speaker that works well of HU power... http://www.infinitysystems.com...n=USA they come with adapter rings so they can be mounted to your stock door speaker housings.
For the rear... http://www.infinitysystems.com...n=USA

Both the above are 2 ohm speakers, so to get all the output your HU is capable of, rewire the HUs constant power, run a fused 12ga power lead directly from the batt. to the HUs yellow constant 12V+ power lead, instead of using the 12V+ constant in the OEM radio harness, [don't forget to cap it off].
Also run a 12ga ground from the HUs chassis to the cars chassis, if you are using a metal back support from the back of the HU to the stock radio back support brace, [as you should be] it is a sufficient chassis ground. 94

carloselpavo

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thanks for the your time and advice, but could you explain me why the 2 way wuold work better for me than the 3 way?

thanks again and soorry for the noob ?

Creepshow S60

Here's what I would do:

1) Forget about the stock tweeters even if they work. They will suck compared to decent aftermarket tweeters.
2) Purchase a set of 2 way separates for your front sound stage. For your budget, I'd recommend either the Infinity 6020cs (aka reference series) or the Focal 165A1 (aka axis series) setups. Both should be around $200-$275 for a pair (2 drivers, 2 tweeters, and 2 crossovers).
* "good sound" is also a matter of opinion due to everybody having a different ear for things of course. I had the Infinitys in my STI for a while, but eventually went to Focal speakers as I thought the Infinitys were a bit too bright for me.
3) Don't worry so much about having really nice rear speakers. Rear speakers are generally more of a "fill in" sound to your music anyway. You ideally want your best sound right next to you and in front of you right as opposed to behind you right?

B18C_EJ8

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2) Purchase a set of 2 way separates for your front sound stage. For your budget, I'd recommend either the Infinity 6020cs (aka reference series) or the Focal 165A1 (aka axis series) setups. Both should be around $200-$275 for a pair (2 drivers, 2 tweeters, and 2 crossovers). </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why would he waste money on components that he'd power with a deck? Those components will sound no better than a set of 2 ways without proper amplification.

fcm

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Why would he waste money on components that he'd power with a deck? Those components will sound no better than a set of 2 ways without proper amplification.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Without going into a long post about why a 2way over a 3way, take my word for it, not that a 3way system does not sound good.

The "3way", or "triax" speaker is little more then a marketing ploy, it sounds no better, [in most cases it sound worse] then the 2way version.

In short it has to do with the same frequencies comming from more then one location and the cancellation and phasing issues it causes.

I recommend the Infinity speakers because they are 2 ohm, they will fit with little or no mods, and if installed properly, [and you do the rewire to the HU I mentioned before] they sound very good for the money.

Definitely no tweeters of any kind in the rear, they will only mess up the staging and imaging of the system.

If you add an amp to the system there are many more speaker options available.
With that said, let me make it clear, you do not need to add an off-board amp to get good sound in your car, I do not have an off-board amp or sub in my car, just an Alpine HU and 4 Eclipse 2way 6.5", [tweeters disabled in the rear] and it has worked well for me for the last 7-8 years. 94

carloselpavo

alright i got it and thaks for explainig. I will get those infinity speakers. thanks again

~steph~

infinity

8520

I hate infinity speakers, personally.

I recently did a set of components in an 03 beetle, mounted the tweeters in the stock dash location, and even WITH a square of carpet over the tweeter, they were still too bright for me

Creepshow S60

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Without going into a long post about why a 2way over a 3way, take my word for it, not that a 3way system does not sound good.

The "3way", or "triax" speaker is little more then a marketing ploy, it sounds no better, [in most cases it sound worse] then the 2way version.

In short it has to do with the same frequencies comming from more then one location and the cancellation and phasing issues it causes.

I recommend the Infinity speakers because they are 2 ohm, they will fit with little or no mods, and if installed properly, [and you do the rewire to the HU I mentioned before] they sound very good for the money.

Definitely no tweeters of any kind in the rear, they will only mess up the staging and imaging of the system.

If you add an amp to the system there are many more speaker options available.
With that said, let me make it clear, you do not need to add an off-board amp to get good sound in your car, I do not have an off-board amp or sub in my car, just an Alpine HU and 4 Eclipse 2way 6.5", [tweeters disabled in the rear] and it has worked well for me for the last 7-8 years. 94</TD></TR></TABLE>

heh, you hit the nail on the head. I can't even begin to describe how many people come to my store and ask for 4 or 5 way (!!!) coaxial speakers. It's like people think that having a billion tiny tweeters will be much better then just nutting up for a nice set of 2 way seps w/crossovers. heheh!

B18C_EJ8

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heh, you hit the nail on the head. I can't even begin to describe how many people come to my store and ask for 4 or 5 way (!!!) coaxial speakers. It's like people think that having a billion tiny tweeters will be much better then just nutting up for a nice set of 2 way seps w/crossovers. heheh!

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You still haven't answered the question of why you're recommending components/separates to someone not powering his speakers with an amplifier.

incubus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Creepshow S60 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's what I would do:

1) Forget about the stock tweeters even if they work. They will suck compared to decent aftermarket tweeters.
2) Purchase a set of 2 way separates for your front sound stage. For your budget, I'd recommend either the Infinity 6020cs (aka reference series) or the Focal 165A1 (aka axis series) setups. Both should be around $200-$275 for a pair (2 drivers, 2 tweeters, and 2 crossovers).
* "good sound" is also a matter of opinion due to everybody having a different ear for things of course. I had the Infinitys in my STI for a while, but eventually went to Focal speakers as I thought the Infinitys were a bit too bright for me.
3) Don't worry so much about having really nice rear speakers. Rear speakers are generally more of a "fill in" sound to your music anyway. You ideally want your best sound right next to you and in front of you right as opposed to behind you right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would have to agree with you, spend all the money on an efficient component setup for the front, the focal access (not axis) are supposed to be very efficient and sound great for the price.
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The "3way", or "triax" speaker is little more then a marketing ploy, it sounds no better, [in most cases it sound worse] then the 2way version. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Truth is FCM, I have had two pioneer trainers tell me the same thing, that their 3ways and so on, are no more than a marketing ploy, one of them even showed us that a pair of TS-A 6.5"s 2nd tweeter was no more than a small piece of metal glued to the speaker.

incubus

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You still haven't answered the question of why you're recommending components/separates to someone not powering his speakers with an amplifier.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the focal components that he reccomended are efficient and made to run in a stock system, otherwise I wouldnt agree with him.

I also think that Infinitys are far too bright.
Listen to speakers before buying them, ultimately your ear is going to be the deciding factor. This is why I reccomend you going to your local reputable car stereo specialist (ie not best buy or circuit city) and listening to what they have to offer. take a cd or your I-pod and listen to a song that you know well.

Creepshow S60

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You still haven't answered the question of why you're recommending components/separates to someone not powering his speakers with an amplifier.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because something like the Focal 165A1 two way seperates sound great without amplification? That, and he already has spaces for tweeters in his car, so he wouldn't need to cut into the door panel or A pillar to mount them? How about doing seperates would improve his sound staging over just doing coaxial speakers? I don't know what else to say here...I feel like I'm beating a dead horse.

It's not like I'm recommending the Focal 165KPS speakers or anything else that would cost over $600. Anything above the A1 series would be pointless to buy without adding an amplifier. You wouldn't be getting what you pay for without an amp in regard to more high end speakers which are actually meant to be driven with an amp. The A1 series DOESN'T need to be amplified to produce great sound.

As somebody who works in the mobile audio/video industry, I'm speaking from personal experience. I'm surrounded by this stuff 8 to 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm not forming an opinion based on consumer reports or what my "buddy has" or anything else of that nature.

The Focal 165A1 is one of my store's most popular selling speaker either amplified or without an amplifier. I've heard them countless times in countless vehicles in countless scenarios.

...but don't take my word for it, go listen to them with a Focal dealer demo disc and judge for yourself.






Modified by Creepshow S60 at 12:34 AM 3/26/2008

fcm

You are correct, the Focal 165A1 speakers will work with just HU power, but even Focal recomends an off board amp for better SQ...

What is the power for your amplifier?
Access speakers are already highly efficient, with improved sensitivity. Therefore, their use with a high power head unit will provide comfortable listening pleasure.
However used in a more high-end system, with separate amplification, the audio quality will be greatly improved.

I think you missed the OPs point, his budget is $150-$200 for both front and rear speakers, also I am pretty sure He is going to install them himself, the Infiniti speakers are pretty much plug and play the Focals are an over-sized 6.5" and will require mods to install.
Please do not get me wrong, the 165A1s are a good sounding speaker system even when driven with relatively low RMS power, but that is also dependent on a proper install of the speakers, which is not so easy as they are over-sized

Creepshow S60

granted, they A1 speakers are a big large, but depending on the honda...you can cut through the factory plastic speaker basket with an airsaw.

fcm

The problem is not the mounting depth, as you say "you can cut through the factory plastic speaker basket " the problem is the mounting hole diameter, stock is 5" and the Focal 165 A1 need a 5.5" diameter mounting hole. 94

carloselpavo

I bought the infinity speakers. I installed them & i'm very happy with them . what i like most is that indeed they are very bright & that i didn't have to make any modifications to installe them. i did not disable the rear tweeters because some times I lift my hatch to listem to some music & want to hear some tweeters too . thanks for all your help