type r all motor or ls vtec?
11-13-2012, 02:26 PM
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type r all motor or ls vtec?
I want to do a swap have ls but love type r what do you guys think i should do for this to have a clean set up and raw power and reliability thanks
11-13-2012, 02:46 PM
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Re: type r all motor or ls vtec?
depends on how much work you wanna do. if all u wanna do is swap in a motor easy peasy and be done... then the type r motor is the way to go.
but you CAN build an lsvtec that makes more power and is just as reliable for the same or less money. just gonna be alot of work
(price for itr motor being compared to Hmotorsonline)
but you CAN build an lsvtec that makes more power and is just as reliable for the same or less money. just gonna be alot of work
(price for itr motor being compared to Hmotorsonline)
11-13-2012, 07:52 PM
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Re: type r all motor or ls vtec?
Def like stated above, "whats the wallet say" and also how much time are you realistically ready to invest and wait...type r motor swap is much easier straight forward...LS V will require attn to detail with which parts you go with and need to piece together..However, if done right can lead to a nice motor...I'm almost done with mine..should be ready for swap in the next 2-3 weeks..Whichever you decide good luck and def read up alot on EVERYTHING you will need before you make any moves..
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11-15-2012, 02:08 PM
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Re: type r all motor or ls vtec?
Yea dude... didnt you know? A motor in unknown condition and prolly unknown mileage is always more reliable than a fresh built motor with 0 miles.... duhh...
11-17-2012, 09:48 AM
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Re: type r all motor or ls vtec?
if a LSV was so great and reliable, honda would have made the motor instead of tuners having to mix and match things themselves. and no not from internet readings, ive had a few friends back in 00 who went the LSV route and ended up parting out or just wishing they spent that cash on a stock motor from the get go.
i personally do not feel safe with a frankenstein swap. thats just me and my opinon. whats more reliable than OEM spec?
so youd rather spend $$ to get a LSV to be at 0 miles or you can buy a motor from a great dealer like HMO where they give warrenty and be happy? idk. thats just me.
back on subject, OP; you love type r and u want reliablilty, and it seems like you dont really know much about "building" a motor. just buy the type r from a good dealer, like HMO; swap it and worry free.. i purchased my F20b from them and have no problems what so ever. they give 30 day warrenty from the moment you swap the motor in and get it running and will replace any internal parts for free if it goes wrong.
i personally do not feel safe with a frankenstein swap. thats just me and my opinon. whats more reliable than OEM spec?
so youd rather spend $$ to get a LSV to be at 0 miles or you can buy a motor from a great dealer like HMO where they give warrenty and be happy? idk. thats just me.
back on subject, OP; you love type r and u want reliablilty, and it seems like you dont really know much about "building" a motor. just buy the type r from a good dealer, like HMO; swap it and worry free.. i purchased my F20b from them and have no problems what so ever. they give 30 day warrenty from the moment you swap the motor in and get it running and will replace any internal parts for free if it goes wrong.
11-17-2012, 10:22 AM
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Re: type r all motor or ls vtec?
if a LSV was so great and reliable, honda would have made the motor instead of tuners having to mix and match things themselves. and no not from internet readings, ive had a few friends back in 00 who went the LSV route and ended up parting out or just wishing they spent that cash on a stock motor from the get go.
i personally do not feel safe with a frankenstein swap. thats just me and my opinon. whats more reliable than OEM spec?
i personally do not feel safe with a frankenstein swap. thats just me and my opinon. whats more reliable than OEM spec?
Ls/Vtec gets a bad name cuz kids try to throw a motor together with all the crap parts they got sitting around there garage. they toss a vtec head onan ls block and dont tune it and wonder why it blows up.
what i said is true, you CAN build a LSV that is more powerfull and just as reliable as a type r motor for less money. you just have to do it right.
the first reason LSV motors blow is oiling, or lack there of. second reason is rod bolts, (stock ls rod bolts are very flimsy and break very easy). third reason is the rods themselves. and the fourth and fifth reason are the bearings not being specced out correctly and poor tuning. people dont measure out what size bearings they need. they just toss in ACL standard bearings and hope it works out. and people use programs like Chrome or other motors stock maps and think its safe. Chrome has been proven to be very glitchy and cause way more detonation than hondata or ectune.
i have over 10k miles on my personal lsv and it is running strong as the day i dyno'd it. as well as i personally know a person with over 100k miles on there LSV motor.
With that said i do believe for the OP his best option is to just buy an itr motor and be done with it because he doesnt seem like the motor building savy person. but i did have to defend the LSV build and prevent you from spreading wrong information.
11-17-2012, 02:03 PM
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Re: type r all motor or ls vtec?
Well thats not strictly true..
Ls/Vtec gets a bad name cuz kids try to throw a motor together with all the crap parts they got sitting around there garage. they toss a vtec head onan ls block and dont tune it and wonder why it blows up.
what i said is true, you CAN build a LSV that is more powerfull and just as reliable as a type r motor for less money. you just have to do it right.
the first reason LSV motors blow is oiling, or lack there of. second reason is rod bolts, (stock ls rod bolts are very flimsy and break very easy). third reason is the rods themselves. and the fourth and fifth reason are the bearings not being specced out correctly and poor tuning. people dont measure out what size bearings they need. they just toss in ACL standard bearings and hope it works out. and people use programs like Chrome or other motors stock maps and think its safe. Chrome has been proven to be very glitchy and cause way more detonation than hondata or ectune.
i have over 10k miles on my personal lsv and it is running strong as the day i dyno'd it. as well as i personally know a person with over 100k miles on there LSV motor.
With that said i do believe for the OP his best option is to just buy an itr motor and be done with it because he doesnt seem like the motor building savy person. but i did have to defend the LSV build and prevent you from spreading wrong information.
Ls/Vtec gets a bad name cuz kids try to throw a motor together with all the crap parts they got sitting around there garage. they toss a vtec head onan ls block and dont tune it and wonder why it blows up.
what i said is true, you CAN build a LSV that is more powerfull and just as reliable as a type r motor for less money. you just have to do it right.
the first reason LSV motors blow is oiling, or lack there of. second reason is rod bolts, (stock ls rod bolts are very flimsy and break very easy). third reason is the rods themselves. and the fourth and fifth reason are the bearings not being specced out correctly and poor tuning. people dont measure out what size bearings they need. they just toss in ACL standard bearings and hope it works out. and people use programs like Chrome or other motors stock maps and think its safe. Chrome has been proven to be very glitchy and cause way more detonation than hondata or ectune.
i have over 10k miles on my personal lsv and it is running strong as the day i dyno'd it. as well as i personally know a person with over 100k miles on there LSV motor.
With that said i do believe for the OP his best option is to just buy an itr motor and be done with it because he doesnt seem like the motor building savy person. but i did have to defend the LSV build and prevent you from spreading wrong information.
but like i said, my friends who have done this advised me to just start with a stock motor already and not to go down the lsv route. they didnt just throw crap parts together, they bought quality parts and after 2 years they parted out or just sold it as is.
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