LsVtecEj1Milano

Okay So im trying to figure out what valves and valve spring retainers to get for my lsvtec
its a B18b1 Block freshly honed and decked 81.5mm bore
oem ls crank
manely rods
11.6.1 wiseco pistons
itr oil pump
gsr water pump
Ctr Crank Pulley , maybe a unorthadox lightweight crank pulley,
thats for the block im also going to run a stage 3 or stage 4 clutch that hasnt been decided eathier
head is a b16 head
port and polished currently has an itr valve train but im going for something bigger
i was thinking of skunk2 ultra valves and skunk2 dual titanium valve springs and retainers with skunk2 pro 3 cams and aem cam gears
but some people have told me skunk2 tends to drop valves at high rpms
others have told me to get supertech, brian crower , or ferrera or however thats spelled
im running a skunk2 pro series intake manu with a skunk2 70mm tb and aem fuel rail aem fpr
550cc injectors
walbro 255 pump
lsd gsr trans
but i cant figure out what valves and valve springs and retainers ? suggestions ?

ej1b18c1

DDTECH CAMS!!! Would be nice... I'm sure he can point you in the right direction with best combo on your set-up.

LsVtecEj1Milano

im confused im set on my cams im gunna run skunk2 pro3 cams with aem cam gears but im trying to figure out what valves and valve springs and retaiers

FlewByU352

REAPERS > Pro 3. However both would be a bit large for your motor.

vtecmasta85

M22KE, m22xx, pro 2 is all you'll need for your 1.8 motor. You also only need a stage 2 max for clutch as you won't make the torque to use a stage 3 clutch.

LsVtecEj1Milano

im hoping on making around 250whp all motor, pro3 is what im going to need my tuner advised on that, im just confused on valves i hear good and bad about every single brand and cant get it down its between supertech brian crower and skunk2 ultra valves

FlewByU352

Let me be the first to crush your hopes and dreams. You'll make maybe 215whp.

LsVtecEj1Milano

lol thanks but that doesnt crush my dreams lol im gunna have over 3k-4k by time im done just into motor work
idrc what you say ill wait till its off the dyno and it wont crush my heart cause its still my build ill be happy with what it puts out but the shop thats tuning my lsv has tuned lots of lsv and tunes alot of b series in general, and k series

LsVtecEj1Milano

ive seen lsvtec builds with much less then what i have and are making 200-210whp lol

ej1b18c1

He's trying to help you out for what will work best for your set-up. Your putting parts that are overkill on your set-up and can possibly make it net less power. Do research or just ask your "tuner" and I guarantee you they wont recommend half the parts on your wish list.

FlewByU352

And I've seen more knowledge in a petting zoo... from the animals.

vtecmasta85

If your tuner tells you to go pro 3's on a 1.8 block, find a new tuner. You need to do quite a bit of research man, the cams I advised is your best bet. 210 from a 1.8 is actually pretty good.

Valvetrain wise I'm using rocket motorsports springs and k20 retainers (prb-a00). Supertech valvetrain will work.

blackeg

heh best part is that its true. once you decide on a more suitable cam size, supertech springs and the k20 retainers is an excellent choice. ive got them sitting in a box waiting to go into my next build.


what are the m22ke's? i know how it works with the x's but havent heard about ke yet

whitesihatch

You don't have enough compression, bore, or stroke for pro3's. I say run pro2 at the most.

Like others said, if your tuner is recommending pro3's or higher, find another tuner. What header, and exhaust size are you running?

And skunk2 vt only has around 60ish seat pressure, that's why they drop valves on big cams. To be safe go with and 80+mm spring. But honestly, Ive ran pro2's Toda b and c, and never had an issue.

slowsleeper

Seriously? The reason why valves are dropping are because the Skunk2 springs only have 60 lb seat pressure? Talk about misinformation.

OP, i don't know what your budget is or if you have one. I will just give my input based on what you are asking, what valves and springs. If you already have your mind set on Skunk2 valvetrain then that is fine.

Skunk2 Pro Series springs/retainers are a snap fit design so shouldn't be as prone to wear as other non snap springs/retainers.

As for valves, OEM valves are fine. Powerwise, aftermarket valves aren't going to make much of a difference in power unless they are custom, bigger, etc. Its not going to matter if you are running stainless steel aftermarket valves or OEM valves, if clearances aren't checked and the valves/pistons touch, the outcome is going to be a mess no matter what.

whitesihatch

are you seriously calling me out?

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/ferrea-valve-springs-skunk2-pro-1-cams-3028192/

slowsleeper

1. Nowhere in that thread did they say that valves were dropping because of its 60 lb seat pressure.

2. The thread was a discussion about what valvetrain to go with, mixing n matching, going all skunk, ferrea, etc.. smh.. You should read that thread and really understand it before spreading the wrong info.

whitesihatch

There is nothing wrong with mix matching parts, I have spread no false information in this thread. i think you should change your approach, im doing nothing more than trying to steer the OP in the right direction. I have ran skunk vt on my car, no problem. But, why not just get something else and have peace of mind.

The Op said he wanted to run pro 3's (which will be too much cam for him), so im just throwing DDtech's experience with the vt, and pro 3's.

LsVtecEj1Milano

my budget for my valve train is about 1400, and he said with my bore size it wouldve been pointless to go with the 13.1 comp i wanted to run, hes been tuning hondas for awhile he works at a shop called pro function in illinois,

slowsleeper

You are really standing by your statement that the S2 valvetrain drops valves when used with big cams because of their 60 lb seat? How can you not call that misinformation?

There are many reasons/variables as to why valves are dropped, but stating something that specific about the S2 valvetrain when many people has had success with them isn't correct/accurate.

Even with your DDTech example, what kind of info was there to say that the valvetrain couldn't "handle" the cam? The S2 valvetrain has handled their own line of cams as well as other cams fine and there are results on from racing, dyno, etc to prove it.

AZ_CIVIC

iTrader: (1)

Ferrea all the way... If you have 1400 for the valve train that will get you ferrea valves, springs, retainers, guides..

slowsleeper

You're in good hands if you are talking about Mikey then. Pick what fuel you want to use and then pick your compression from that. Mikey will steer you in the right direction.

AZ_CIVIC

iTrader: (1)

Oh and if your going to run Skunk2 pro cams, also purchase Skunk2 LMA's..

LsVtecEj1Milano

yea i know mikeys a ******* wiz dude, he tunes all my guys **** he told me hell make the 250whp i just needa get pro3s and valves ect. i have 1400 for my head to spend unless i wait even longer

LsVtecEj1Milano

and so wait s2 valves are good? or not? i originally wanted to go with s2 ultra valves and the dual titaium valve springs ultra