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Lsvtec all motor
Okay So im trying to figure out what valves and valve spring retainers to get for my lsvtec
its a B18b1 Block freshly honed and decked 81.5mm bore oem ls crank manely rods 11.6.1 wiseco pistons itr oil pump gsr water pump Ctr Crank Pulley , maybe a unorthadox lightweight crank pulley, thats for the block im also going to run a stage 3 or stage 4 clutch that hasnt been decided eathier head is a b16 head port and polished currently has an itr valve train but im going for something bigger i was thinking of skunk2 ultra valves and skunk2 dual titanium valve springs and retainers with skunk2 pro 3 cams and aem cam gears but some people have told me skunk2 tends to drop valves at high rpms others have told me to get supertech, brian crower , or ferrera or however thats spelled im running a skunk2 pro series intake manu with a skunk2 70mm tb and aem fuel rail aem fpr 550cc injectors walbro 255 pump lsd gsr trans but i cant figure out what valves and valve springs and retainers ? suggestions ? |
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DDTECH CAMS!!! Would be nice... I'm sure he can point you in the right direction with best combo on your set-up.
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im confused im set on my cams im gunna run skunk2 pro3 cams with aem cam gears but im trying to figure out what valves and valve springs and retaiers
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REAPERS > Pro 3. However both would be a bit large for your motor.
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Originally Posted by LsVtecEj1Milano
(Post 49506015)
im confused im set on my cams im gunna run skunk2 pro3 cams with aem cam gears but im trying to figure out what valves and valve springs and retaiers
M22KE, m22xx, pro 2 is all you'll need for your 1.8 motor. You also only need a stage 2 max for clutch as you won't make the torque to use a stage 3 clutch. |
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im hoping on making around 250whp all motor, pro3 is what im going to need my tuner advised on that, im just confused on valves i hear good and bad about every single brand and cant get it down its between supertech brian crower and skunk2 ultra valves
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Let me be the first to crush your hopes and dreams. You'll make maybe 215whp.
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lol thanks but that doesnt crush my dreams lol im gunna have over 3k-4k by time im done just into motor work
idrc what you say ill wait till its off the dyno and it wont crush my heart cause its still my build ill be happy with what it puts out but the shop thats tuning my lsv has tuned lots of lsv and tunes alot of b series in general, and k series |
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ive seen lsvtec builds with much less then what i have and are making 200-210whp lol
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He's trying to help you out for what will work best for your set-up. Your putting parts that are overkill on your set-up and can possibly make it net less power. Do research or just ask your "tuner" and I guarantee you they wont recommend half the parts on your wish list.
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Originally Posted by LsVtecEj1Milano
(Post 49506300)
ive seen lsvtec builds with much less then what i have and are making 200-210whp lol
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Originally Posted by LsVtecEj1Milano
(Post 49506245)
im hoping on making around 250whp all motor pro 3 is what im going to need my tuner advised on that, im just confused on valves i hear good and bad about every single brand and cant get it down its between supertech brian crower and skunk2 ultra valves
If your tuner tells you to go pro 3's on a 1.8 block, find a new tuner. You need to do quite a bit of research man, the cams I advised is your best bet. 210 from a 1.8 is actually pretty good. Valvetrain wise I'm using rocket motorsports springs and k20 retainers (prb-a00). Supertech valvetrain will work. |
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Originally Posted by FlewByU352
(Post 49506261)
Let me be the first to crush your hopes and dreams. You'll make maybe 215whp.
what are the m22ke's? i know how it works with the x's but havent heard about ke yet |
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You don't have enough compression, bore, or stroke for pro3's. I say run pro2 at the most.
Like others said, if your tuner is recommending pro3's or higher, find another tuner. What header, and exhaust size are you running? And skunk2 vt only has around 60ish seat pressure, that's why they drop valves on big cams. To be safe go with and 80+mm spring. But honestly, Ive ran pro2's Toda b and c, and never had an issue. |
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Originally Posted by whitesihatch
(Post 49506743)
And skunk2 vt only has around 60ish seat pressure, that's why they drop valves on big cams. To be safe go with and 80+mm spring. But honestly, Ive ran pro2's Toda b and c, and never had an issue.
OP, i don't know what your budget is or if you have one. I will just give my input based on what you are asking, what valves and springs. If you already have your mind set on Skunk2 valvetrain then that is fine. Skunk2 Pro Series springs/retainers are a snap fit design so shouldn't be as prone to wear as other non snap springs/retainers. As for valves, OEM valves are fine. Powerwise, aftermarket valves aren't going to make much of a difference in power unless they are custom, bigger, etc. Its not going to matter if you are running stainless steel aftermarket valves or OEM valves, if clearances aren't checked and the valves/pistons touch, the outcome is going to be a mess no matter what. |
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Originally Posted by slowsleeper
(Post 49506819)
Seriously? The reason why valves are dropping are because the Skunk2 springs only have 60 lb seat pressure? Talk about misinformation.
OP, i don't know what your budget is or if you have one. I will just give my input based on what you are asking, what valves and springs. If you already have your mind set on Skunk2 valvetrain then that is fine. Skunk2 Pro Series springs/retainers are a snap fit design so shouldn't be as prone to wear as other non snap springs/retainers. As for valves, OEM valves are fine. Powerwise, aftermarket valves aren't going to make much of a difference in power unless they are custom, bigger, etc. Its not going to matter if you are running stainless steel aftermarket valves or OEM valves, if clearances aren't checked and the valves/pistons touch, the outcome is going to be a mess no matter what. https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/ferrea-valve-springs-skunk2-pro-1-cams-3028192/ |
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1. Nowhere in that thread did they say that valves were dropping because of its 60 lb seat pressure.
2. The thread was a discussion about what valvetrain to go with, mixing n matching, going all skunk, ferrea, etc.. smh.. You should read that thread and really understand it before spreading the wrong info. |
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There is nothing wrong with mix matching parts, I have spread no false information in this thread. i think you should change your approach, im doing nothing more than trying to steer the OP in the right direction. I have ran skunk vt on my car, no problem. But, why not just get something else and have peace of mind.
The Op said he wanted to run pro 3's (which will be too much cam for him), so im just throwing DDtech's experience with the vt, and pro 3's.
Originally Posted by DDTECH
(Post 49499072)
The skunk2 valvetrain doesn't provide enough seat pressure for me to be "safe" with them.. Most of my cams require a minimal 82lbs, i currently am running the pro series VT in my car, and it can barely handle a cam thats just as big as a pro3..Seat pressure on the pro series VT is roughly 60-62lbs at the seat.
I'd strongly recommend Supertechs for everything, if you're on a budget, otherwise, look into ferrea.. there are other companies, but results and testing is what matters to me. Supertech makes great valvesprings/retainers that last.. typically on a DD setup I've used TI retainers which have lasted a good while with daily beatings. |
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my budget for my valve train is about 1400, and he said with my bore size it wouldve been pointless to go with the 13.1 comp i wanted to run, hes been tuning hondas for awhile he works at a shop called pro function in illinois,
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Originally Posted by whitesihatch
(Post 49506963)
I have spread no false information in this thread.
Originally Posted by whitesihatch
(Post 49506743)
And skunk2 vt only has around 60ish seat pressure, that's why they drop valves on big cams.
There are many reasons/variables as to why valves are dropped, but stating something that specific about the S2 valvetrain when many people has had success with them isn't correct/accurate. Even with your DDTech example, what kind of info was there to say that the valvetrain couldn't "handle" the cam? The S2 valvetrain has handled their own line of cams as well as other cams fine and there are results on from racing, dyno, etc to prove it. |
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Ferrea all the way... If you have 1400 for the valve train that will get you ferrea valves, springs, retainers, guides..
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Originally Posted by LsVtecEj1Milano
(Post 49507069)
my budget for my valve train is about 1400, and he said with my bore size it wouldve been pointless to go with the 13.1 comp i wanted to run, hes been tuning hondas for awhile he works at a shop called pro function in illinois,
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Oh and if your going to run Skunk2 pro cams, also purchase Skunk2 LMA's..
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yea i know mikeys a fucking wiz dude, he tunes all my guys shit he told me hell make the 250whp i just needa get pro3s and valves ect. i have 1400 for my head to spend unless i wait even longer
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and so wait s2 valves are good? or not? i originally wanted to go with s2 ultra valves and the dual titaium valve springs ultra
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